Talk:Washington State Route 531/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Map

I have just created the map!

-Wiki890 02:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Maps are supposed to be in SVG, per WP:USRD/MTF --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, at least we've got one, since the MTF is a little backlogged anyway. -- NORTH ^talk 07:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Possible GA?

I think this article could improve a small bit and may be a possible GA. What do you think? — ComputerGuy890100^{Talk to me}_{What I've done to help Wikipedia} 15:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

No. Not even close. --Rschen7754 (T C) 20:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Improving it "a small bit" won't get it to GA status. Articles can't be considered for a possible GA with only two references – and none in the history section. The prose also still needs some work. -- Kéiryn ^talk 23:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I expanded the history section and added more references about WSDOT's projects. — ComputerGuy890100^{Talk to me}_{What I've done to help Wikipedia} 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It looks like a good start at first glance. I'll take a look at it over the next couple of days to see what improvements I can make as well. -- Kéiryn ^talk 00:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Great. You may want to look over the new route description. — ComputerGuy890100^{Talk to me}_{What I've done to help Wikipedia} 02:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

I'm quickfailing this article at this time because it has some issues:

The presence of the citation tag in the reference section alone is enough to quickfail.
The map in the Route description section should be right-aligned under the MOS.
The most minor reason is the non-standard infobox.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Imzadi1979 (talk) 19:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

While I wholeheartedly agree that this article was not ready for a GA nomination, the infobox is standard. {{Infobox WA State Route}} feeds parameters directly into {{infobox road}}. -- Kéiryn ^talk 02:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, that might be, but it was also the most minor reason given. I am curious why WA uses a specialized infobox when {{infobox road}} does a good job as is? Imzadi1979 (talk) 03:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Because Washington's infobox template was created after a long discussion at WT:WASH before infobox road was standardized nationwide. It's essentially the same, with a couple of tweaks that make Washington-specific things a little easier. -- Kéiryn ^talk 04:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I have done everything on the list except the citations. There are no good sources via Google. Most are PDF documents, so I am taking off the template. — ComputerGuy890100^{Talk to me}_{What I've done to help Wikipedia} 04:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

If there are no "good" sources to support whatever you have to say, then you can't say it in an encyclopedia. To quote the message that's at the bottom of every edit window, "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." For good article and above, it must be verified, meaning cited. I will go through the article tomorrow or on Monday (I've been meaning to for a while) and {{fact}} exactly what needs to be cited. There is a lot. -- Kéiryn (talk) 09:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I have added more references and fixed all of the problems. Now there are 0 citation tags and 17 references. I will take out the image gallery as soon as possible. --CG was here. 18:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I just have a few suggestions for passing GA. The picture of SR 531 in 1990 is nice, but I have no idea which road it's specifically talking about. Perhaps you should specify in the caption what road is supposed to be the focal point. Also, the last paragraph of the history section is a bit awkward. "...additional road improvements are expected to help with traffic" makes it sound like the improvements will happen while "This may mean the addition of numerous new lanes and traffic signals" makes it sound like the improvements might happen. C L — 19:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I fixed each problem. I highlighted the route of SR 531 on the 1990 picture and I improved the last paragrpah telling that improvements west of I-5 might happen and east of I-5 will happen (used a WSDOT reference). I also divided the Route description into two sections about the route, one about road extensions (or extensions of roads used by SR 531 like Lakewood Road), and another about bus service. --CG was here. 20:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Washington State Route 531/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA Review by S_RX

Lead

State Route 531 (SR 531) is a state highway in the state of Washington, USA, getting its number from intersecting with Interstate 5. - Needs to be reworded to fit the format of other road GA's. ..is a state highway located in the U.S. state of Washington. What does it mean that it gets its number from intersecting with I5? This is SR 531, three digits. Elaboration?

It extends 9.9 miles (15.9 km) from Wenberg State Park, west of Smokey Point, east to State Route 9 in southeast Arlington. - Is there a better location that can be wikilinked where Wenberg State Park is located, like ..from Wenberg State park in west Palm beach"? because saying its west from somewhere doesn't really help its location.

Suggestion- The terminus of the road should be mentioned in the lead.

Lake Goodwin to Smokey Point

SR 531 begins at Wenberg State Park (off the shores of Lake Goodwin) and continues north along East Lake Goodwin Road until it intersects with Lakewood Road. - You give two different locations for Wenberg Park, even though they are the same area, you should remain consistent. Instead of saying "off the shores," remove the parenthesis and place a comma after Park and reword to "near Lake Goodwin", that is more precise.

From the intersection, SR 531 goes roughly east along Lakewood Road around Lake Ki and through a small forest until reaching a small reservoir, where Lakewood Road becomes the mostly straight 172nd Street NW. - What does it mean "goes roughly east"? Also, is it notable to include that it goes through a forest, IMO it does not. Also, does the reader need to known about the reservoir, to me that is also non notable to include, as it doesn't help elaborate it's location, it just gives landmarks. Bad word choice, "the mostly straight"? <--- remove.

East of the switch, 45 Road branches off to the southeast and serves as an alternative to the SR 531–Interstate 5 interchange and 172nd Street NW becomes 172nd Street NE. - Bad word choice, instead of "switch", use something along the lines of "East of the road change" "branches off"? What is meant by that? Also, where is the SR 531-I5 interchange? Where does 172nd street NW become 172 street NE? All of this needs to be elaborated.

After continuing east, SR 531 reaches 11th Avenue. - Reaches 11th avenue? What is meant here, does SR 531 continue alongside 11th avenue or what?

11th Avenue connects to the main entrances of Lakewood High School, the only high school for North Lakewood, and Cougar Creek Elementary, the only traditional Kindergarten to Grade 5 school for North Lakewood. - I dont' see the purpose of the elaboration of 11th avenue, it has no relevance to SR 531. IMO it should not be noted.

SR 531 goes east next to Lakewood Elementary and the Lakewood School District heardquarters, and finally continues across the railroad tracks towards Smokey Point. - Instead of "goes" use "continues" (bad word choice again) Also, headquarters is misspelled here. Also, what railroad tracks? You said "the railroad tracks" referring to a specific track" which one?

SR 531 intersects with 27th Avenue, which connects with Lakewood Crossing. Just a small way east, SR 531 has an interchange with Interstate 5. - the description needs to be elaborate more, "just a small way east" is a bad way to describe the route, how about "SR 531 continues east towards the interchange with Interstate 5."

Smokey Point to Edgecomb

After leaving the interchange and North Lakewood, SR 531 goes east to Smokey Point Boulevard (former US 99) in Smokey Point. - You mean "formerly US 99"?

The road then keeps east, passing Weston High School and Arlington Municipal Airport before intersecting with 67th Avenue, a major road from Marysville's Sunnyside area to Arlington. - A comma is needed after "Airport", also does sunnyside need to be included, cant Marysville just be by itself?

SR 531 then goes east past the Arlington Gun Range and Gleneagle, a large housing area, before ending at an intersection with SR 9 State Route should be spelled out for "SR 9"

Road Extension

East Lake Goodwin Road continuies south for 1 mile (1.7 km)[9] from Wenberg State Park, the end of SR 531, to West Lake Goodwin Road on the south shore of Lake Goodwin, where the road ends.[10] - There is a misspelling for "continues", Wenberg State Park is the end, but it should be elaborated, the east ending or the west ending, etc.

Road names

The prose is one big sentence, it needs to be broken up into more than one sentence.

Bus Routes

This section is redundant IMO, it serves no relevant information to the route itself. IMO it should be removed.

History

At the time, very few travelers used the road. Later on, however, the two-lane road needed to be widened after a large economic boom occurred in the area. In the later half of the 1990's, the stretch from I-5 east to just west of 43rd Avenue NE was widened from two to five lanes. Also, stop signs were replaced with traffic lights at the intersection with Smokey Point Boulevard. this whole prose has no references to reliable sources for verifiability.

With the recent commercial activity at Lakewood Crossing, additional road improvements may be made to help with traffic surrounding the area west and east of Interstate 5. This may mean the addition of numerous new lanes and traffic signals. - aside from needing refs, this needs to be reworded because it sounds more like a POV.

Major intersections

I feel that all intersections are listed here, only main ones need to be listed.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:
Per the comments above.

B. MoS compliance:
Per the comments above.
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:
Some are missing above.

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
Per the comments above.

C. No original research:
Per the comments above.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Per the comments above.
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
This article needs alot of work, this qualifies for quickfail, but their is good content here, though just needs to be worked on. Once the above concerns are addressed, please notify me. Cheers.SRX^--^Latino Heat 00:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed all the problems you have listed and I have extended the lead to two paragraphs. I also took out the unreliable source from Highways of Washington. --CG was here. (T - C - S - E) 16:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think this article is now ready. I have expanded the history section and adde references from WSDOT. --CG was here. (T - C - S - E) 17:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I see that you have improved all my concerns, well written article now, good work.

.--S_RX 15:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyeditor's thoughts

This reads well and makes sense to me even though I have never seen the road. I have a few suggestions for further improvement.

The road map would be much more meaningful to someone not familiar with the area if you added a few labels. These could include town names as well as road identifiers. See New York State Route 32, a featured article, for an example.
In the "Lake Goodwin to Smokey Point" section, you mention "a pair of railroad tracks". It's not clear whether you mean a pair of rails (one track) or a double track.
I would suggest adding metric distances (kilometers) to the "Major intersections" table.
Citation 20 does not conform in format to the other citations in the article. It should be changed to {{citeweb}} to match the rest. Finetooth (talk) 22:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for copyediting the article! There is one problem though...

The template {{Jctint}} does not allow kilometers to be added to the major intersections table.
Everything else is fine and finished! ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) 16:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't notice the template's limitations or that the FA article I mentioned above used the same or a similar template. I'd think seriously about improving the map, though, even though that's not so easy. Except for people who recognize the shape of the coast, the map gives no clues about where in the world it might be or what the colored lines represent. It's necessary to read the text to find that out. A better map would work more-or-less by itself as an information carrier. Finetooth (talk) 19:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I made a map and it is located at Image:Washington State Route 531.png. It has shields and names of major locations in the area. ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) 00:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Much better. Good job. Best of luck with the pursuit of "A" class. Finetooth (talk) 03:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I have replaced the map and I will be nominating this article for A-Class promotion in the coming weeks. My deadline for nominating this article is September 1st. ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) 00:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

FA?

ACR, peer review, etc. I think this article is ready to be FACed. Comments? ~~ This page was edited by ĈĠ 23:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

What is this?

A class or Good Article? Jay8g (talk) 01:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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