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Weapon dance was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
May 30, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
June 29, 2008	Good article reassessment	Kept
January 23, 2024	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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Untitled[edit]

I started this as a stub to have something to link to from another article I am working on Music of Italy. As it now stands, this is not very good, I know. I would appreciate any and all help. As the examples expand, it will be a good idea to divide the article into geographic regions: Europe, the Americas, Africa, Asia, Polynesia, Australia, etc. Jeffmatt 11:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I started to expand the item by geographical region. Jeffmatt 02:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The 81.208.83.236 ISP number is mine. Jeffmatt 02:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I anticipate digging up about 15 or 20 more examples from around the world and then adding a section on "The Anthropology of the Weapon Dance" ---or something like that---and maybe a section on Weapon Dance as Art--that is, a section on the various dance preservation projects around the world that include such dancing in performances presented to the public. But right now, it's time to go to bed. Jeffmatt 16:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

Can someone find more images of dancing? Perhaps Wikimedia Commons and/or Flickr is a nice place to start. Don't worry, I'm looking too. —Jared Hunt September 10, 2006, 22:24 (UTC)

Shouldn't anyone...i don't know, mention weapon dances in Media, such as video games (weapon demos) and movies?

GA passing[edit]

This passes, just, well written referenced ect. Not quite FA yet, needs expanding and more sourcing. Remember, references come after the punctuation i.e

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not

The article has passed GA^[2], but...

You see. Good work everyone

†he Bread 01:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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added paragraph[edit]

The 89.97.35.76 ISP number is mine. I added a paragraph on the Danza de la Pluma. Forgot to log on. Sorry. Jeffmatt 05:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also added the last section on Weapon Dance as Art (for lack of a better sub-title?). It seems to me to fit into the general article and also provides a kind of closing section after all the examples (although more examples are probably needed).Jeffmatt 07:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Capoeira[edit]

Wasn't capoeira by definition weaponless so that the masters or the police wouldn't suspect that the dancers were actually doing combat training? --84.20.17.84 14:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Sweeps Review: Pass[edit]

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2007. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. I also tagged a few images to be moved to Wikimedia Commons, so if you have an account, consider moving them. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:43, 30 June 2008

GA Reassessment[edit]

Weapon dance[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article was promoted in 2006 with a very limited review by today's standards. As the article stands today, I have concerns about its compliance with criteria 1b, 2b, and 2d.

1b: The lead of the article is not a summary of the body, as is required by MOS:LEAD. Much of the content of the lead does not appear in the body at all (e.g. the Spartan pyrrhichios is not discussed in the body; the claim that "tribalism ... usually gives rise to such folk dances" does not appear in the body). I also see aesthetic claims about specific dances made in Wikipedia's voice in violation of MOS:WTW, e.g. the sword dance Choliya "has a very beautiful and graceful form"; "The Jerusema ... is an interesting kind of hybrid war dance".

2b: I count fifteen paragraphs in the body which do not end with a citation. At least one specific claim, that Morris dance commemorates battles between Christians and Muslims between the 12th and 15th century, I am actively sceptical of. I also found one claim which does not seem to appear in the cited source: "A sub-type of the Khattak Wal Atanrh known as the Braghoni involves the use of up to three swords and requires great skill to successfully execute".

2d: This from the first source I checked; I would consider this too-close paraphrasing if I found it when reviewing an article:

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In a few isolated sections of Europe, a rather savage male combat dance survives. In the villages of the Transylvania Alps and Carpathian mountains, before Twelfth Night and Whitsunday, nine men from nine villages assemble for the Joc de căluşari or căluş, a rite of initiation. The men engage in fierce battle with sticks, which used to be bloody and sometimes fatal.	Another kind of round dance survives in a few isolated sections of Mid-Europe and is gradually disappearing. It forms a part of the magic rites of brotherhoods who have gone through an ordeal of initiation. The most savage of these is the Roumanian Joe de Calusari 'horse-play' in villages of the Transylvania Alps and Carpathian mountains. Before Twelfth Night and Whitsunday nine men assemble from nine neighboring villages. They are initiated by a leader into the mystical gestures and figures of their dance; and they put on belled boots and ribboned hats and take an oath under a sword. In some villages they blacken their faces. Their troop includes a masked fool, a goat-masker, a transvestite, and a standard-bearer with a decorated pole surmounted by a horse's head. The men leap about wildly in a circle around the fool or lean on the sticks in their hands. With the sticks they engage in fierce battle, formerly bloody and even fatal.

I have notified the nominator, reviewer, main article contributor, and GA sweeps reviewer, but none are currently active. Also notified the relevant wikiprojects Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 19:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

certainly below standards in its current state; improvement is urgently required. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Every paragraph needs to be checked against its citation because most of the text appears to be unrelated fluffing the editor did to call whatever it is specifically a "weapon dance", which the lede seems to want to define as combat-oriented or combat-derived, but then most of the examples are anything but. It may just need WP:TNT if there's no actual scholarly/encyclopedic "thing" that is a "weapon dance" (as opposed to, say, a sword dance, which is an actual cohesive topic.) Since some of the dances here don't have their own article, then failing finding an RS giving a cohesive definition, this article article would be better reformed as a "List of martial dances" or something like that (the Talk page notes someone added Capoeira, which notably generally has no weapons, so clearly the article does not have any cohesive scope as-is). SamuelRiv (talk) 09:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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