Talk:Wesendonck Lieder

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==Rating by Richard Wagner Project==

Stub class. This article provides a good general introduction to the work, and is close to Start class. The main reason that it is still a stub is that it is unsourced. It also needs:

Critical appreciation section
Discography
Further musical analysis
Illustrations etc. etc.

-- Kleinzach 05:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Start class. An excellent discusison of the background and composition is marred by the lack of sources and discography. 60% (48) is the target for B, so a decent effort at addressing the relatively easy issues of illustrations, discography and referencing will get the article there. More detailed comments below.

Background/history/text 12/15. Generally very good, but I can't see a mention of the date of composition
Performance history 7/15. No mention of first performer. Would be worth indicating whether it is more often given with piano or orchestral accompaniament and an indication of how often. If there is no discussion in secondary soruces, at least looking at the programmes for 2007/8 for the Berlin, New York and Vienna Philarmonics or for the Wigmore Hall would give an indication. Or looking at a catalogue to see how many recordings are available would help.
Critical appreciation, discussion of the music 5/15. Some basic indications of the musical style, but no analysis of individual songs or of critical views.
Recordings 0/10. Do need to cover these.
Illustrations 2/10. A link is provided to one of the songs, but short extracts on the page, in line with Wikipedia's policy, would be better. And pictures of RW around the time of composition and of Mathilde v W should be possible to obtain.
References, notes, sources, links: 2/15 If you're able to discuss how the majority of sources spell the surname, then should be able to list some in a references section, or prefereably do some citations. Newman's Life would certainly provide basic details. Inline referencing, especially for critical views, is preferred as it will make things much easier when going for GA which needn't be too far off. At lest one of the big Wagner pages must surely cover the songs.

Total 28/80 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter cohen (talk • contribs) 11:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Start class. I used the "Moreschi" system rather than the points system here, and it is clearly not a Stub, as defined there and in the general WP assessment system Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. Improvements required, as well as those mentioned above:

Sub-headings to break up the text and give some structure
More details on early performances
At least a link to the text of the songs

--GuillaumeTell 17:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 09:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 10:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Jeffrey Ching version[edit]

I've presumptively removed some of the detail about the above, as a potential copyvio concern. The source no longer works, so I cannot tell whether or not it actually is CV. Fine for it to go back in, if it can be re-sourced/appropriately paraphrased. [Text below.] KJP1 (talk) 06:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Ching transposed Wagner's original songs so as to form a closed palindromic tonal sequence in the manner of a five-movement sonata, and also added an elaborate obbligato part for viola (or cello), which comments on the poems and adds harmonic and contrapuntal detail to Wagner's accompaniment." KJP1 (talk) 06:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]