Talk:West Prussia

Clarify

West Prussia is also used as general name for the region in historical context from the 13th century to 1945, when it was inhabited by a Prussian population. The ancient Prussians did not live west of the Wisla, that area was inhabited by the Slavs. Tymek (talk) 13:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

400 000 German Catholics???

Prussian Germans were almost exclusively Protestant. Either the article is completely wrong or the statistics are highly biased, probably counting in part of the Catholic Kashubians as Germans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.46.111 (talk) 12:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I cannot comment on the exact number but it is certainly wrong to say that the “Prussian Germans were almost exclusively Protestants”. This is an old stereotype: Polish = Catholic, German = Protestant. The majority of Germans in the East were Protestants and the majority of Polish people were Roman Catholics but there were significant minorities in both groups. --89.247.226.227 (talk) 11:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

East Prussia was majorly protestant, with exception for Ermland / Warmia, which was majorly catholic, because they were held by Poland and not Prussia before the first partage (1772). For the same reason, West Prussia was majorly catholic, with exception of the area of bishopric of Pomesania (Kwidzyn / Marienwerder city), which was majorly protestant, because it wasn't part of Poland prior to the partages, but part of Ducal Prussia / Kingdom of Prussia. The city of Gdańsk / Danzig was also majorly protestant, although it was part of Poland until 1792. The same goes for majorly german, sparcely populated SE part of Western Prussia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.205.177.59 (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Prussian Germans were NOT exclusively Protestants, but of mixed denominations. People were allowed to be anything they wanted to be or they had been before they came to Prussia as refugees. For Catholic minority in the South-West of Prussia had been protected and supported by the house of Habsburg, and Catholic mission efforts in East-Central Europe had been intense, denomination does allow any conclusion on ethnic origin of a person. --94.217.3.48 (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

1905 versus 1910 - Prussian Census

I think that the former map of the 1905 census was more appropriate on account of smaller degree of bias and falsification, much more prevalent in the 1910 census - where bilingual individuals, sometimes whole villages (like Raschwitz in Landkreis Brieg), were often marked as "bilingual", but on the map, marked simply as "German".

I added ethnic structure in 1819 (probably the earliest census data)

Source is in the reference - it describes it as "Nationalverschiedenheit" - can our German users explain what exactly it means (is it more like ethnicity or more like national identity)? Because this data has no Kashubians, I assume it is more about national than ethnographic groups. Peter558 (talk) 12:34, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

150,000 German colonists

The Prussian Settlement Commission was responsible for the settlement of about 150,000 people in the Province of Posen and in West Prussia in the late 19th/early 20th century. This is obviously the number Chwalba refers to. To claim these people moved exclusively to West Prussia is misleading. HerkusMonte (talk) 13:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Improper italicization

In English, there is no reason whatever to italicize "King of Prussia" or "King in Prussia," both of which are ENGLISH phrases. However, I have italicized "of" as a conventional emphasis to show that Frederick now considered himself the only king of all of Prussia, not just a king in a part of Prussia (ex-Ducal Prussia).

Non-native-English speakers who contribute in such matters should take note that in English, italics generally denote either foreign (non-English) words — for example, König (king) — or emphasis. Scholarly works typically include the parenthetical note, "(emphasis mine)" to clarify that the emphasis shown by italics has been added by the author of the work being read, not by the person quoted.

Communist propaganda

Research it more communist hate Germans the guy was communist polish historian) (undo) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.180.235 (talk) 23:04, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Sca (talk) 23:18, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes... there has been a massive project of panslavic "marxist-leninist science" in National-communist countries such as Poland and it is partially continued by some political groups. Chances are that any "Scientist" coming from Poland and being old enough, had been socialized in this national-communist "science" with related panslavic nationalist ideology. The effect would be that this person might spread fake "facts" in favor of his strong believe in a superior Polish nation. --94.217.3.48 (talk) 14:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Poles and Jews extermination

I tagged the article for POV, as the vast majority of RSes distinguish between the Jewish holocaust and Nazi atrocities towards Polish elites and dissenters. Our article presently formulates the two as equivelant which raises WP:REDFLAG for me. Some of this is uncited, the cited source for this is in Polish - does it support this assertion? Icewhiz (talk) 14:18, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:NOENG, please provide anuote of the supporting source, a translation, and justification aa to why it is reliable.Icewhiz (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Same as all the other articles. There's no "equivalency" except in your imagination.Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:56, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

While I agree that there should be no equivalency in the article, our article states - "while between 120,000 and 170,000 Poles and Jews were removed Germans through massacres, enslavement or killed in extermination camps.[13] As in all other areas, Poles and Jews were classified as "Untermenschen" by the German state, with their fate being slavery and extermination" - which is an inaccurate portrayal of actual events and also a highly non-mainstream portrayal of unrealized (thankfully) Nazi future plans. The Nazis had one policy in place for Jews - which was complete extermination (in this particular area - very early). They had another for Poles in general, and in this particular area which was intended to be "German" - they engaged in wide scale killings (mainly elites), deportations, and germanization (including conscription to the German army). This should be described accurately in our article. Icewhiz (talk) 09:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

rant against Frederick II

The text of "Despite this [...] also regarded the Poles with contempt" with ranting against Frederrick II must not be on wikipedia. Also full of steretoypes ... of course, German officials did not love the Polish, did Polish officials love their German subjects? Rather silly to mention those issues. Further, Prussia did NOT do purposeful Germanizations - these were only started in the Kaiserreich. Needs through rewriting. --Tino Cannst (talk) 12:40, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Merge Administration of West Prussia before 1919 into this article

Does "Administration of West Prussia before 1919" this information need a separate article or can it be part of the West Prussia article? Wil540 art (talk) 21:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)