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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request. Barring the manifestly improper, moving is the default for requested moves even with little or no participation since boldness allows moves without discussion, prevented here by a technical limitation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

White people in Namibia → White Namibians — Move name to match formatting of White Africans, White South Africans etc. TM 21:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

White domination[edit]

Calling apartheid in Namibia a system of white domination and segregation is not a personal opinion. It is a widely held belief which is common across any number of sources.--TM 17:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But surely we should stick to a more neutral point of view? Is there really a need to elaborate on the word, when we just have to write 'Apartheid'. If it was white domination then why were the homelands (Transkei, Ovamboland) created? Bezuidenhout (talk) 07:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To enforce white domination even more? 83.84.100.133 (talk) 11:06, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. If you are interested in the reasons behind it, I described that at Namaland#Background. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 07:31, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Total population[edit]

As far as I can tell from sources, there were about 85,000 White Namibians in 2007 according to the Google Books citation, so why the dramatic range? Most sources say 6%, so I would be OK with extrapolating the total population (a bit of 2 million I think) times 6%. Thoughts?--TM 20:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, Government should be the expert on their own citizens. However, due to race sensitivities, nobody is actually counting people per ethnicity. Not even the National Census asks that, and whenever somebody needs this data, it is derived from the parameter "language used at home". This is of course rather fishy, and I would say that is the one factor explaining the uncertainty. Only my guess, that, though. --Pgallert (talk) 12:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At any rate, 6% may be outdated figure simply being repeated by more contemporary sources. I first heard it quoted back in 2004! The percentage has likely fluctuated since then, given Namibia's overall population increase. Not sure when the government stopped compiling census figures according to ethnicity; RSA and Zim still do and that's why scholars are able to compile meticulous demographic breakdowns on both. --Katangais (talk) 16:31, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit by User:WorldlyVoice[edit]

There is no evidence that the white population has increased since independence. Most statisticians agree that there are fewer than 100,000 whites left in Namibia. As you said "Was an unnecessary deletion of content, as it is backed up by sources and statistics" - where exactly are these statistics and sources? Bezuidenhout (talk) 17:01, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bezuidenhout That is absolutely untrue. The statistics show that the number of whites in Namibia has increased dramatically since the 1980s, due to Portuguese, Zambian, and Zimbabwean whites having moved. I will report you if you continue to alter information. There are no facts to support you and your bias here.

The one source you have provided is of a dodgy fake Namibian government website. You claim the white population has increased since independence but your states only range from 1981 to 2003. Namibia received independence in 1990 buddy. Most sources today put the figure between 80,000 and 100,000, look up at the previous discussions on this page. You're using bias, not me pal. You can report me all you like but you're putting in false information without a reference Bezuidenhout (talk) 17:26, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will report you, as the only one using false information is you. You have absolutely zero sources to back you up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WorldlyVoice (talk • contribs) 17:29, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You can report me all you like, but Wikipedia doesn't work like that. Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Bezuidenhout (talk) 17:33, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also there wouldn't have been many (if any) Zambians or Portuguese moving into Namibia in that time. Those countries gained independence and their white populations left before even the 1981 census. Even IF there was a large influx of Zambian, Zimbabwean or Portuguese whites we would have seen an increase in English or Portuguese being spoken (as the government does collect data on language). Unsurprisingly, there was no increase in Portuguese and the increase in English was minimal and largely attributed to an increasing black English-speaking middle class Bezuidenhout (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please, let's build articles instead of reporting each other. User:Bezuidenhout is spot-on here. [1] is very fishy: Misleading url, as it has nothing to do with government, and most of its content has been lifted from Wikipedia without attribution. There is no indication that the white population has increased, and as the census does not ask for ethnicity there won't be good numbers any time soon. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 05:46, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]