Talk:Wildlife of China

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Red Panda[edit]

This page has forgotten to mention the Red panda, an animal also native to China (and not related to the Giant panda). 71.213.151.86 (talk) 00:30, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Brown Rat[edit]

This list is missing the Brown rat. 122.105.217.62 (talk) 09:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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Wildlife refers to animals, not plants[edit]

I think flora should be removed to an article about Plant Life in China. This article should merge with fauna of China. ContinentalAve (talk) 07:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whales[edit]

The Whales section is giving me problems. I don't understand how it is organized whatsoever, there are possible relevance issues, there is unsourced information, and some of the information appears to be blatantly wrong.

First on the list is the paragraph before the first bullet point:

Following statements can be said for all larger baleen and toothed whales, but especially focusing on right whales and gray whales in here because of their behavioral patterns (very high reliance on shallow waters comparison to their size that even entering rivers mouths and estuaries regularly, their strong curiosities towards mankind) eased hunters to kill them and were wiped out much faster than the other species followed by humpbacks. Other rorquals' situations were very similar to them, but their local extinction (functionally) occurred later in 20th century by modern Japanese industries.

I don't understand what this is trying to say, it makes little sense to me.

Secondly, the information contained within the bullet point:

Today, biology and natural histories of baleen or larger toothed whales in Chinese waters prior to exploitations are very unclear because at those times when academic studies or approaches or recordings of cetaceans in coastal China were started to develop, because whales were already in fewer numbers enough for descent, feasible for academic accounts, records in local fisheries or industries didn't even occur. This was likely to be caused as the local populations of migratory whales were intensively hunted to the point of near-functional extinctions on the main migratory collider (Japanese archipelago) by Japanese net whaling industries. The fates of right whales, were even cornered further by American Yankee whaling, Japanese mass illegal and research whaling,[34] and the most devastatingly, Soviet Union's mass illegal whaling in 1960s to 70s with helps by Japan.[35] Gray whales migrating on both of Japanese coasts were wiped out earlier than the Korean counterpart, then the other population migrating along Korean Peninsula later being targeted to the extinction by Japanese industries.[36] The most intensive hunts of all times were carried out by Japanese whaling industries that covering wide range of east Asian waters including almost entire EEZ of China, North Korea, South Korea in 20th Century. Whaling stations were established in various areas along Chinese and Korean coastlines such as at Daya Bay, causing today's serious perils of whale populations and virtual, functional extinctions of almost all species or local stocks of larger baleen whales in east and southeast Asian nations.

The first sentence is very long, it is hard to read, and it doesn't make much sense. The two sentences at the end need sources immediately due to their accusatory nature.

I am unsure what is meant with the use of the term 'Yankee', also used once more later in this section

Yankee and modern whaling records suggest...

If it is simply being used to refer to Americans, then should it not be changed to "American"?

Third (almost done, hang in there!):

Toothed whales, excluding dolphins, include the Sperm, Dwarf sperm, Pygmy sperm, Baird's beaked, Longman's beaked[37], Cuvier's beaked, Blainville's beaked, Ginkgo-toothed beaked whales, and the Orca and Pilot Whales (False killer, Pygmy killer, Melon-headed, Short-finned pilot).[29] False Killers still remain along coasts of mainland China, and are known to enter rivers regularly in particular regions.

Would it not be better to condense the first sentence down to "Sperm whales and beaked whales"? The orca whale and the pilot whale are both dolphins, which seems to be confusing considering the "excluding dolphins" remark at the beginning. The others mentioned (false killer whales, pygmy killer whales, etc.), are all dolphins as well, and not types of Pilot whales (as implied by the use of parentheses). The last sentence about the false killer whales has no source.

I hesitate to make adjustments and remove content without knowing what is trying to be said, so any help from those working on this page would be appreciated. Thanks! Greedo8 20:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Useless Section[edit]

Is there a use for the "Other animals native to China" section? All of the animals in that category should fit into the other previous categories, no? I've already done some reorganization of this on this page today. I'm going to categorize all of the animals in this section into the others. If anyone else comes along and feels this is wrong or inaccurate, please feel free to reverse my changes. :-)

Email me at jonah.safern@gmail.com if you need to contact me, as I might not see something you ask here. Jonahpoke92 (talk) 02:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, finished cleaning it up. If someone will please sort the miscellaneous rodents, I was unsure where to put them. Thanks! Jonahpoke92 (talk) 05:21, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Chinese Leopard or Leopard[edit]

Discuss here using referneces, Wiki guidelines and logical reasons as to why one usage is more relevant/appropriate than the other. Do not make any changes to the article with respect to this topic, until consensus is reached. Keep in mind, we are here to build an encyclopaedia not to prove a point. See here WP:POINT. ~¤Spacefarer¤~ (talk) 11:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Azhar0705 2 subspecies of Asiatic leopards were recognized for China as of 2017 by the Cat Classification Taskforce of the Cat Specialist Group: Panthera pardus delacouri in the south, near Indochina, and Panthera pardus orientalis for the north, and this includes what was known as the "North China leopard"[1] (formerly Panthera pardus japonensis). However, when it comes to more central areas in China, this is where it gets tricky, as in, are these Amur-North Chinese leopards (P. p. orientalis) or Indochinese leopards (P. p. delacouri)?[2] In addition, another type of leopard is mentioned, the "South China leopard", and it was alternatively treated as being P. p. delacouri and P. p. japonensis[1] (now P. p. orientalis),[2] and this is mentioned in the article about the Chinese leopard, and this ambiguity is why it has been turned into an article of its own, to say that it is a population of leopards in China that is recognised as belonging to 2 subspecies, and also to talk about the taxonomic uncertainty regarding a specific subpopulation, that is the South China leopard.[1] Leo1pard (talk) 13:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Leo1pard:! I see that the other party in this discussion has not replied. Lets give him/her due time. You have provided some solid information and backed with credible sources. Pinging @BhagyaMani:

~¤Spacefarer¤~ (talk) 11:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed unresolved, which leopard subspecies occurs in central China. The Indochinese leopard delacouri is thought to occur in the south, Yunnan Province.[3] But this has been treated as synonymous with Indian leopard fusca by Chinese authors, e.g. Smith and Xie (2008).[4] Likely that leopards in southern Tibet belong to fusca. That the leopard population in northern China is contiguous with Amur leopard orientalis in Russia is without question now.[5][6] Leopard samples from central China, e.g. Sichuan or Henan provinces, have not been available for genetic analysis, which is largely due to the species having been extirpated in many (protected) areas, e.g. in Wolong Nature Reserve.[7] Definitely obsolete is the info by Brakefield (1993). -- BhagyaMani (talk) 01:27, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PS: It is evident that Chinese leopard is NOT a subspecies, has never been scientifically described as one, but must be understood as a collective term for the 3 subspecies occurring in China. --BhagyaMani (talk) 02:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you mean the South Chinese leopard, Brakefield was not the only one to talk about it.[1] Uphyrkina et al. also talked about it, and mentioned that some teeth in southern China from the Middle Pleistocene were similar to those of a recent 'subspecies', Panthera pardus sinensis.[8] Leo1pard (talk) 04:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be useful to have some extra minds on the matter, to mediate and help. Pinging some veteran editors who have contributed here before. @Jonahpoke92: @ContinentalAve: ~¤Spacefarer¤~ (talk) 09:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, am looking forward to their comments. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:41, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not not by removing relevant info that suggests that you want it to have only what you want it to have. Leo1pard (talk) 11:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Since the earlier pinged editors who had contributed to this article have not responded....hence pinging other veteran editors i know of @Lugnuts: @AmericanAir88: ~¤Spacefarer¤~ (talk) 13:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why not describe the unresolved status of leopards in central China in the article? ContinentalAve (talk)
Great idea, and revised the section with more info. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:44, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BhagyaMani But not enough to redirect Chinese leopard to that, and should I say why that is? Leo1pard (talk) 09:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c d Brakefield, Tom (1993). "The Spotted Wind". Big Cats: Kingdom of Might. Voyageur Press. pp. 84–105. ISBN 978-0-89658-329-0.
  2. ^ a b Kitchener, A. C.; Breitenmoser-Würsten, C.; Eizirik, E.; Gentry, A.; Werdelin, L.; Wilting, A.; Yamaguchi, N.; Abramov, A. V.; Christiansen, P.; Driscoll, C.; Duckworth, J. W.; Johnson, W.; Luo, S.-J.; Meijaard, E.; O’Donoghue, P.; Sanderson, J.; Seymour, K.; Bruford, M.; Groves, C.; Hoffmann, M.; Nowell, K.; Timmons, Z.; Tobe, S. (2017). "A revised taxonomy of the Felidae: The final report of the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCN Cat Specialist Group" (PDF). Cat News (Special Issue 11). ISSN 1027-2992.
  3. ^ Miththapala, S., Seidensticker, J. & O’Brien, S.J. (1996). Phylogeographic subspecies recognition in leopards (Panthera pardus): molecular genetic variation. Conservation Biology 10: 1115–1132.
  4. ^ Smith, A.T. & Xie, Y. (2008). A Guide to the Mammals of China. Princeton University Press, New Jersey, USA.
  5. ^ "Distribution and abundance of Amur tiger, Amur leopard and their ungulate prey in Hunchun National Nature Reserve, Jilin". Biodiversity Science 22: 717–724. 2014. {{cite journal}}: Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors= (help)
  6. ^ "Spatiotemporal patterns of Amur leopards in northeast China: Influence of tigers, prey, and humans". Mammalian Biology. 92: 120–128. 2018. {{cite journal}}: Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors= (help)
  7. ^ Li, S., Wang, D., Lu, Z. & Mc Shea, W.J. (2010). Cats living with panda. Cat News 52: 20–23.
  8. ^ Uphyrkina, O.; Johnson, E. W.; Quigley, H.; Miquelle, D.; Marker, L.; Bush, M.; O'Brien, S. J. (2001). "Phylogenetics, genome diversity and origin of modern leopard, Panthera pardus" (PDF). Molecular Ecology. 10 (11): 2617–2633. doi:10.1046/j.0962-1083.2001.01350.x. PMID 11883877.

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