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Anders biography: Alleged repudiation of religion[edit]

I removed the two sentences that claimed, "However according to one article his outlook on religion changed profoundly after his participation in the Apollo 8 mission. He found his experience of space made a mockery of his beliefs and he gave up religion.[1]" This statement is completely unfounded. I explain:

1. The contributors sole reference is from the UK Guardian newspaper: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/nov/30/apollo-8-mission . I have read that article 3 or 4 times. While this article is very interesting and fascinating, nowhere does it state any factual evidence that Anders rejected or questioned his own religion. None of his quotes reflect this. Only an unreferenced and unproven editorially enhanced biography at the end of the article.

2, I could find no other sources that could possibly confirm the claim that Anders rejected or otherwise questioned the religion of his birth, or even suggestions thereto.

3. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, it is highly unlikely that someone who qualified in the NASA missile program and reached Major General in the United States Air Force would issue or utter such an incredible and frankly unbelievable statement.

That said, if contributors can locate refuting data -- hopefully from personal references and not from questionable and highly notoriously socially biased newspapers such as "The Guardian" -- I will happily stand corrected.

Divbis0 (talk) 03:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a post in which Richard Dawkins says that Anders told him at the STARMUS conference that he had no respect for religion: http://old.richarddawkins.net/discussions/646684-celebrating-curiosity-on-twitter/comments#comment_950439

Full quote: "Don't despair, things may not be as bad as they seem. Last year, at the splendid STARMUS conference in Tenerife that brought together astronauts and scientists, I had many agreeable conversations with Bill Anders, astronaut who famously read from the first Chapter of the book of Genesis while orbiting the moon on Apollo 8 in 1968. Major General Anders, a gallant, intelligent and entertaining man, told me he has no respect for religion. He read the Bible in space only because he was told to by NASA." Anon12356 (talk) 16:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Divbis0, the Guardian is a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards. When it reports that Anders abandoned his religion, that is credible owing to the newspaper's reputation and standing. Your claim that "it is highly unlikely that someone who qualified in the NASA missile program and reached Major General in the United States Air Force would issue or utter such an incredible and frankly unbelievable statement" is nothing but personal speculation. The Guardian's report is supported by Richard Dawkins' tweet that "It was Bill Anders who recited Genesis, and not from lunar surface but from orbit. He did it against his will, not being a believer." — O'Dea (talk) 14:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As a "religious" person myself, this is an interesting discussion. Of course, I'm sure Anders knew or had been told that one can recite a message to others without having to personally believe in said message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.188.108.54 (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by CSJJ104 (talk) 21:47, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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William Anders's Earthrise
William Anders's Earthrise
  • ... that William Anders took the iconic photo, Earthrise (pictured)? Source: Rowell, Galen. "The Earthrise Photograph". Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

Improved to Good Article status by Hawkeye7 (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 17:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I like the picture! Earwig's picks up the incorporate public domain text, as expected. No quality issues, as expected from a GA. My only quarrel is with the hook: Does it need the comma? I have occasionally seen it used like this before, but it looked weird to me as a non-native, and I couldn't find any reference to this usage in Comma#Uses in English. Should it not simply be dropped @Evrik? –LordPickleII (talk) 18:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to dropping the comma. It is a parenthetical comma, something you could replace with parentheses. If the comma is omitted, we have a false title phrase. Meh. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:56, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawkeye7: Interesting, thanks! I missed that. In this case I have no objection to keeping it, either; may the promoter decide. –LordPickleII (talk) 09:28, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Hawkeye7: I'm a little concerned that the hook will direct most readers to click on Earthrise, rather than William Anders. Would you be okay with removing Earthrise's link in the hook? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hong Kong[edit]

This part needs clarifying: 'they then returned to China'. In 1933 Hong Kong was a British colony, so not part of China (geographically, but not politically). So did they go back to Hong Kong (as is suggested by 'returned'? Or did they go to a different part of geographic China? 109.152.55.81 (talk) 08:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Time Dilation note[edit]

'Due to time dilation, he had aged about 300 microseconds more than people back on Earth." a fun tidbit, but just curious, since the crew was going so fast, wouldn't that mean the crew had aged a tiny bit LESS than those on Earth? 137.188.108.54 (talk) 18:29, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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