Talk:William Randolph Hearst Jr./Archives/2013

Two different people

At 15:01, 28 January 2007 24.5.85.129 (talk · contribs · count) made the following comment in an edit summary:

"note WRH jr, and WRH II are two different people, this bio is correct for WRH Jr. + added some pulitzer detail" --Eastmain 19:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

William Randolph Hearst II → William Randolph Hearst, Jr. — William Randolph Hearst II and William Randolph Hearst, Jr. are two different people, and this article is about William Randolph Hearst, Jr. Eastmain 01:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - in support of the move

1. Press reports about II make it clear that he was not Jr.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_27/b3790095.htm says: "William Randolph Hearst II and his sisters Deborah Hearst Gay and Joanne Hearst Castro complained they weren't given enough access to financial records or enough say in decision-making."

http://members.forbes.com/global/2000/1225/0326028a.html says: " In 1997 grandson W.R. Hearst II, now 58, filed suit in Los Angeles Superior Court against the William Randolph Hearst Family Trust, demanding that its financial records and decision making be opened to family members. ... William II ... appears to have no paying job (says his lawyer, John Sturgeon: "He does a lot of travel and manages his investments")."

Time (Friday, Sep. 23, 1966) says "Married. William Randolph Hearst II, 23, grandson of the publisher and a business student at the University of San Francisco; and Jennifer Gooch, 23, an art student; in Manhattan." (implies year of birth was 1943 or so)

So II was filing lawsuits at a time when Jr. has been dead for several years. --Eastmain 16:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

*Oppose There are now VI generations of William Randolph Hearst. Sr. and Jr. only are unambiguous when there is ONLY a I and a II. Once you add a III they become ambiguous. Both II and III can be called Jr. Who is the other William Randolph Hearst and where is his biography? Is he number III or IV? I think your logic is backward, only I II and II make sense. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I have made the move, but all this needs to be sorted out.

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--Eastmain 01:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

William Randolph Hearst II

William Randolph Hearst II (1939- ):

• http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_27/b3790095.htm says: "William Randolph Hearst II and his sisters Deborah Hearst Gay and Joanne Hearst Castro complained they weren't given enough access to financial records or enough say in decision-making."
• http://members.forbes.com/global/2000/1225/0326028a.html says: " In 1997 grandson W.R. Hearst II, now 58, filed suit in Los Angeles Superior Court against the William Randolph Hearst Family Trust, demanding that its financial records and decision making be opened to family members. ... William II ... appears to have no paying job (says his lawyer, John Sturgeon: "He does a lot of travel and manages his investments")."
• Time (Friday, Sep. 23, 1966) says "Married. William Randolph Hearst II, 23, grandson of the publisher and a business student at the University of San Francisco; and Jennifer Gooch, 23, an art student; in Manhattan." (implies year of birth was 1943 or so)

William Randolph Hearst, Jr.

William Randolph Hearst, Jr. (January 27, 1908 - May 14, 1993) became editor-in-chief of Hearst Newspapers after the death of his father William Randolph Hearst and won a Pulitzer Prize for his interview with Soviet premier Nikita Kruschev and associated commentaries in 1955:

• [1] (1908–93), U.S. journalist and newspaper proprietor. Hearst shared a 1956 Pulitzer prize for international reporting shortly after being named editor in chief of the Hearst Corporation. The privately held company had been built into a media empire by his father, William Randolph Hearst, Sr., the flamboyant press baron. William Randolph Hearst, Jr., was born on Jan. 27, 1908, in New York, N.Y. The younger…"

• [2] William Randolph Hearst Jr., Newspaper Editor, Dies at Age 85. From: The Washington Post | Date: May 15, 1993 William Randolph Hearst Jr., editor in chief of the Hearst newspapers and an heir to the publishing empire established by his father, died today. He was 85. He died in New York, said George Raine, assistant city editor at the San Francisco Examiner, flagship newspaper of the Hearst chain. Hearst, the second of five sons born to William Randolph and Millicent Willson Hearst, found his calling as a reporter and editor. He shared the Pulitzer Prize for international reporting in 1956. For nearly 40 years he wrote a Sunday editorial column called "Editor's Report " and lobbied for a strong ...