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relevance[edit]

The fact that there is such a big article about a not relevant article like this shows how paranoid some armenian users are. Fortunately, the reality is not aquivalent to your fantasies. XmuratX (talk) 19:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're one to talk with that captioned image on your user page. This article was created and expanded by a Turkish Wikipedia editor, by the way. Hakob (talk) 04:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That explains its horrible English, I suppose. Meowy 16:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This whole article is one huge Armenian POV. It doesn't give a neutral description of what "Wilsonian Armenia" is, but rather quite blatantly advocates for future territorial changes. And there are only 4 footnotes of Armenian sources for such a huge article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.126.158.110 (talk) 17:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

globe illustration[edit]

Shouldn't the globe show the national borders as of 1920 (with some tinkering around the former Ottoman region), rather than those of the present day? 118.165.204.177 (talk) 06:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Map[edit]

This map is wrong as it includes territories outside Wilsonian Armenia, such as: Karabakh, Naxcivan, Zengezur, etc, which were part of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. This map reflect the nationalist ambitions of Armenia, known as "Greater Armenia". The description in the article acknowledges the mistake in the map. I have corrected this mistake by adding the only correct map of Wilsonian Armenia, see here. Neftchi (talk) 14:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You need to get some facts straight. Simply because the Democratic Republic of Azerbaijan claimed those lands, it doesn't mean they controlled them. Any source outside Azerbaijan will say that most of what became known as Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast and Syunik were under relatively stable control of the D.R.Armenia. Nakhichevan was under the stable control of Azerbaijan, but when Azerbaijan was taken over by the Bolsheviks, Armenians seized the opportunity and took all claimed lands (Nakhichevan, Syunik and Nagorno-Karabakh). Soon after, the Bolsheviks invaded Armenia as well, and the borders were set. Don't impose yourself simply because your nationalistic agenda demands it. It's not because Pashayeva tells history your way that it is the truth. This is Wikipedia, provide objective sources for your information. I have plenty, but I think this should be enough:

http://conflicts.rem33.com/images/Armenia/disp.htm

http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/The%20Caucasus/azerbaijan.htm

This site has no Armenian nor Azerbaijani involvement. It's a Georgian-American(or English) collaboration to inform people about ethnic conflicts worldwide. It shows the multiple border changes throughout 1918-1921. If you have a more objective source than this, please point it out. Until then, please don't change the article to fancy your agenda. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KentronHayastan (talk • contribs) 11:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What was the surface of the Wilsonian Armenia?[edit]

Can anyone give the data about the surface of this proposed state? How much of the actual Republic of Turkey was included into the Wilsonian Armenia? What was the total surface of Wilsonian Armenia (including the Eastern Armenia)? What was the population of this area and what was the ethnic make-up of the population before 1914 and in 1918? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.27.135.30 (talk) 11:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are zero trustworthy sources for population in 1918. There was an Ottoman census in 1914 where you can get the numbers on population. As far as surface area, the article includes Wilson's treaty map of Wilsonian Armenia. To get the numbers you want, you would need to probably take modern Armenia's borders and then add the Turkish provences and various border adjustments to determine the size number. But as it was just a provisional border, I don't know how much value the result would have. 209.163.167.156 (talk) 19:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deliberate misleading[edit]

Once again someone has deleted any mention of the fact that Erzurum and Trabzon were Predominantly Turkish. İntead saying Armenian populations of varying sizes this is obviously there to mislead people into thinking that Armenians were the majority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.242.174.130 (talk) 09:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conference of London[edit]

This links to a disambiguation page, doesn’t clarify whether the 1920 or 1921-2 conference - and neither of those articles mention the US or proposed US mandate. --JWB (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]