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A fact from Winifred Brown appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 August 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that when Winifred Brown (pictured) arrived for the King's Cup air race in 1930, she was not allowed to stay at the aero club but still won the race?

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 07:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Pilot Winifred Brown

... that dozens of airmen have won the King's Cup air race since it started 100 years ago, however in 1930 the cup was won by Winifred Brown (pictured)? Source: latest winners list

ALT1 ... that in 1930, Winifred Brown (pictured) became the first women to win the British King's Cup air race? Brown First Woman to Take Trophy for 750-Mile Contest Over England

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gladys Boyd
- Comment: feel free to add an alt, change it, or even tick it.

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 16:03, 18 July 2022 (UTC).[reply]

starting reviewParadise Chronicle (talk) 23:16, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you for this article, it turned out be much more interesting than it was at the beginning. I have added some additional info and you might find another hook which I could approve. There is one thing about the differing number of participants. 96 is in one source, 88 in an other the airplane manufacturer Avro Avian mentions 86... How about mentioning a range of participants or a record amount of participants to date. Then also, how about using the pic of her wearing the flyers uniform? It is a nice portrait.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:01, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The new info adds a lot to the interest and I see it has been tweeted again. Thank you. I changed the pic at your suggestion. (I was thinking of doing a millionairres link but it wasnt really about her). I cannot see the source you used but AGF gives me Alt2. Do feel free to tweak or adjust it. Victuallers (talk) 11:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alt2 ... that when Winifred Brown (pictured) turned up for the King's Cup air race in 1930, she wasn't allowed to stay at the aero club, but won the race anyway? many of the pilots who were staying at the club and having fun at a special pre-race social event, Winifred had been refused a room. No specific reason was given, but away from the other entrants, she spent a quiet night at a local pub instead.

Hi Victuallers, I added the source for the denial of the room before the race, (its at the section time to fly) but she didn't turn up at the race 100 years ago but in 1930. Could you adapt the hook in this sense, please? Then also the issue with the number of participants isn't solved. The keyaero source mentions even 101, but also a record 101. Maybe something like most to date or over 70 ...? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Paradise Chronicle: My fault, I was trying to squeeze in that its the centenary of the race this year. I have removed that badly designed attempt. Victuallers (talk) 07:25, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I made a little adaption to the hook by adding the year and removed a second she to bring in more flow. The issue with the number of participants is probably because of the several numbers mentioned. I guess that of over 90 entries to the race, 88 started (actually took off from the airfield) and 61 finished it. As for me this one is good to go

. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Archaic usage of "became" in introductory sentence?[edit]

Can we rephrase the first sentence, "Winifred 'Win' Sawley Brown became Winifred Adams (26 November 1899 – 30 July 1984) was a British sportswoman, aviator and author.", to remove the archaic and distracting usage of "became." I'm not even sure "became" is the correct archaic form, I've only ever seen "become". To the modern reader this almost seems like a subject verb agreement issue.

Suggestion:

Winifred "Win" Sawley Brown, later Winifred Adams, (26 November 1899 – 30 July 1984) was a British sportswoman, aviator and author. UserSwamp (talk) 14:04, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]