Talk:X-Men '97

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First non-MCU project[edit]

I am confused there. It says X-Men 97 is Studios' first non-MCU project since their formation but what about MODOK or Hit-Monkey. They definitely are not part of MCU Seaweed Brain1993 (talk) 03:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They only oversaw their development but weren't directky involved. BestDaysofMusic (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
MODOK and Hit-Monkey were made by Marvel Television which is a totally different production company from Marvel Studios. So X-Men '98 is in fact Marvel Studios' first non-MCU series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.76.151.33 (talk) 16:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the old Marvel TV was absorbed into Marvel Studios, so oversight of both series were transferred to Marvel Studios. However, as they were both released under the Marvel TV brand, I would still consider this the first non-MCU series from Marvel Studios. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Marvel source says it's MCU [1]. Mike210381 (talk) 20:32, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You keep on citing that article, but it never explicitly states that the show in set in the MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@InfiniteNexus: If: As always, the Marvel Cinematic Universe continues to expand, with a whopping 12 titles coming out of Disney+ Day 2021 — a mix of titles previously announced, ones with new looks and logos, and a few complete surprises! is not explicitly, then I think that you should learn to read. Sorry, but that sentence is enough clear. Mike210381 (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First off, no personal attacks. Secondly, that quote does not specifically refer to this specific show. "Explicit" would be something like the article on Spider-Man: Freshman Year, which states: The animated series follows Peter Parker on his way to becoming Spider-Man in the MCU. I have also added in this source into the article, which doubts it is set in the MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:10, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's not personal attack it's fact. You don't read what's clearly written. I've put another Marvel source here, but it seems that you haven't read it at all. So once again: Disney+ Day 2021 is here, and it’s kicking into high gear with brand new announcements coming out of the Marvel Cinematic Universe with what’s to come from the streaming service. During Marvel Studios' 2021 Disney+ Day Special — which is currently streaming exclusively on Disney+ — it was announced that X-MEN ‘97 will arrive in 2023. from Disney+ Day 2021: ‘X-MEN ‘97’ Animated Series Announced. It is specifically refer to this specific show! I don't care about secondary sources in that case, when Marvel clearly states it is in the MCU. Mike210381 (talk) 23:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to add/clarify that, as of today, the series has been added to the Phase 5/Multiverse Saga on Disney+, officially establishing it as a part of the MCU. That also retroactively does the same with the original series, too. 2603:9000:CC0B:A88C:E549:B477:8F6A:4637 (talk) 17:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did read that article, perhaps I shall break down what it says. Sentence 1: Disney+ Day brought a ton of MCU announcements. Sentence 2: X-Men '97 was announced by Marvel Studios. In no way are those two sentences connected (and the first sentence is actually copy-and-pasted from the other Marvel.com articles), and in no way does the second sentence say X-Men '97 is set in the MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm to tired to discuss with the smartest person ever. You clearly think that you know everything the best. That source is direct confirmation that it is part od MCU. They just could write that Disney+ Day brought a ton of Marvel announcements, but they used MCU insted. It's not our job to search for intentions. Two news on Marvel official web site states the same very clearly. Mike210381 (talk) 00:18, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the press release info, in its barest bones, not with Marvel.com's "cut and paste" header/footer material it had on all its Disney+ Day articles: X-MEN ’97: an animated series that explores new stories in the iconic ’90s timeline of the original series. Beau DeMayo is executive producer and head writer. No indication there its MCU, but rather explicitly that its a continuation of the 90s series, which is also not in the MCU. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:04, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Favre1fan93: Does that press release states clearly that it's not in the MCU? No. Does it anywhere written that Marvel Zombies is part of MCU? You choose what what's copy pasted or not from Marvel web site. When Wakanda series whas annouced, information about Phase 4 was copy pasted as well. As always, the Marvel Cinematic Universe continues to expand, with a whopping 12 titles coming out of Disney+ Day 2021 it's not copy paste. Those 12 titles include X-Men '97. Being continuantion of animated series and within MCU don't have to exclude both of it. When we get direct confirmation that is different then we can exclude them, but for now from Marvel sources we have direct confirmation that it is part of MCU. Mike210381 (talk) 09:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from the talk about whether this is MCU or not (Although I believe based on the announcements it is), why does the article explicitly say it's not? If we don't believe there is enough proof that there is, that's fine, but as far as I know we haven't seen _any_ proof that it isn't. This should be stricken from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:d237:3900:41a1:8ca1:5e4a:e35 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 22 December, 2021 (UTC)

It is stated to be in the same timeline of the original series, which isn't part of the MCU. Thus, X-Men '97 isn't MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neither were Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man movies, but they have brought in through through No Way Home. It's not unreasonable to believe that X-Men '97, being a Marvel Studios production, _may_ be MCU, and therefore bring the rest of the series into the MCU. Until it is stated one way or another I claim it's *factually incorrect* to say that it definitively isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:d237:3900:607e:bd40:44de:2d29 (talk) 15:02, 22 December, 2021 (UTC)

Well, here i found the closest thing to an answer: The creator said that will be clear once the series comes out. BestDaysofMusic (talk) 17:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion in the Disney+ Multiverse Saga row[edit]

I don't know if anyone noticed, but X-Men'97 is now part of MCU Multiverse Saga on D+. Mike210381 (talk) 21:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that plus the evidence we already have in the article for this being part of the MCU's version of the multiverse suggests that we may need to update the wording in the lead at some point. Others may want further evidence though, especially because it is hard to say the placement on the Disney+ timeline is correct given the series is set in 1997, not the 2020s. If there is support for making this change then really this should not be treated any differently from the other multiverse shows like What If...? and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Adamstom.97 but it's not on the timeline. Mike210381 (talk) 21:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see it isn't at the moment, I'm pretty sure it was when I checked yesterday. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it could have been incorrectly added and then removed. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In production[edit]

How much in production an animated project has to be so that it can become an article? BestDaysofMusic (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We generally need to have confirmation that animation is underway and the actors are working on it, plus enough general coverage to meet WP:GNG. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:38, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The actors are definitely working on it. Cal Dodd was doing voice work back in January.
https://collider.com/x-men-animated-series-revival-wolverine-cal-dodd-image-disney-plus/ NunyaBeeness (talk) 04:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but we in the process of animation, voice actors start recording, before sequences get sent to final animation rendering. We need to know that final animation has begun to move. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

S2 recordings happening - time to move?[edit]

Since we know Dodd has begun work recording on season 2, is that any helpful indication season 1 has to be, at least partially, on to final animation work which would allow a move? We'd definitely pass WP:GNG regardless. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how much we can assume about that because they can get really ahead on writing and recording in animation, but it does suggest that they are confident enough that multiple seasons will be released and a good amount of animation work is likely to be done by now. Part of me feels we should just go ahead and make the move, but with the planned slow down of releases I am also cautious about getting too hopeful for things that have been announced but don't have a confirmed release date. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:43, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
While I do feel the series must be down the line in animation, I am skeptical at the rate for us to go off of given there has not been many updates regarding it, plus the current slow down going around. Part of me just isn't as confident we should make a move as I'd have hoped. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actors and characters[edit]

Can this source (about halfway through) be used to support some additional actors reprising their original roles? I'm half of the mind that they're just putting 2 and 2 together from the actors returning, and it isn't an "actual" confirmation. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaning toward no on this one, as it appears to just be putting 2 and 2 together as you said. The voice cast of the original series was recently at C2E2 for a panel where they discussed some bits on both the original and revival, though I haven't had time to verify/add anything from it. I've found Big Comic Page and Popverse (needs a subscription) covered that panel. I saw BCP's discussed some cast returning with specified roles. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Showrunner?[edit]

At least two news pages call DeMayo the series' showrunner and this one calls him both showrunner and head writer, even througth Marvel Studios wasn't hirimg actual showrunners until October 2023, and season 2 was already underway by then so maybe they refer to him as a showrunner due to him being the showrunner starting with season 2. So, how do we proceed? BestDaysofMusic (talk) 21:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As stated in my removal of this change, Marvel's website and press material still refer to him as head writer for season 1. It seems far too early at the moment for season 2 production info to be released by them, so we should just wait to see how they formally credit him as we get closer to season 2's release, whenever that is. No change or adjustment should happen now. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request For Page Protection[edit]

I've requested page protection here: [2]. David O. Johnson (talk) 20:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Main cast[edit]

Given that the show has opening credits like the 90s cartoon - evoling ones in this case - wouldn't it be better to separate between "Main" and "Recurring" characters? PanagiotisZois (talk) 00:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea. HannibalSnow (talk) 18:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cast and character breakdown[edit]

Tracking the credits to confirm cast order for the article. Using the opening credits for each episode to determine who counts as "main" since there is no main-on-end titles with actor names like other MCU shows.

- adamstom97 (talk) 19:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cast list in lead[edit]

You know we have to mention what the sources state and not every "MCU TV" article has to follow some "rule", right? ภץאคгöร 22:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're not following WP:MCUTVCAST here. This order is based on the Disney+ credits, and while they do not differentiate between the main, recurring, and guest cast as many other series do, we are obviously not going to list all of them as bulleted as that would become quite an exhaustive list. When main cast is not easily apparent, going off of the opening credits is a great indicator of which actors/roles are the main ones, especially in this case. This does fall in accordance with MOS:TVCAST for now until more sources are produced which specifically state which actors are the main, recurring, or guest roles. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've largely been avoiding this page for editing because I know a lot has been changed and added since it premiered, but this list is great to help figure out recurring and guests. As to who could be a "main" actor, I'd suggest first off to base it on the actors Disney included in their pre-release material (Ray Chase, Jennifer Hale, Alison Sealy-Smith, Cal Dodd, J. P. Karliak, Lenore Zann, George Buza, A. J. LoCascio, Holly Chou, Isaac Robinson-Smith, Matthew Waterson, and Adrian Hough) all of whom have now appeared in the opening credits. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only difference between that list and the one I came up with based on the opening credits is Ross Marquand. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing actors[edit]

Regarding the sections that still need citations, about certain actors having their voice actors replaced in this series, would it be enough to find a source about X character being voiced by Y actor in the original cartoon, or should we find a source that specifically states that "X actor voices Y character, replacing Z actor"? PanagiotisZois (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for who played the character in the original series are fine if there isn't something better. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second para in lede[edit]

It doesn't make sense to me to single out that Ross Marquand plays Xavier, while the rest of the actors aren't referred to by their roles. David O. Johnson (talk) 04:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xavier is mentioned in the lead so we indicate who plays him. It's not required but it is something we tend to do at other articles. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Season drafts[edit]

FYI there are drafts for potential season articles at Draft:X-Men '97 season 1, Draft:X-Men '97 season 2, and Draft:X-Men '97 season 3. I have cleaned these up based on the latest version of this article. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Love to see it! Great work as per usual, Adam! Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable Source ?[edit]

I found a website dealing with the show's social media engagement. However, I do not know if it really is a reliable source or not. Here is the link if someone wants to check. Higher Further Faster (talk) 11:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like their rankings are based on polls on their website, so probably not. I also did a quick search to see if they have been referenced by any reliable sources and it doesn't look like. May be mostly appropriate as a fan resource. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, thank you for your response ! Higher Further Faster (talk) 08:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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