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Did you know... that the use of the word "yeoman" in the U.S. Naval Reserve Act of 1916, rather than "man" or "male", enabled women to enlist in the U.S. Naval Reserve with the rank of Yeoman (F) (pictured) during World War I?

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Rank of Yeoman[edit]

I would recommend that someone knowledgeable do a better job of explaining what exactly a Yeoman's duties, responsibilities and purpose is, as neither this article nor the short blurb in the Yeoman article that actually relates to the Navy rank explains it very well. Robogymnast 21:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be a naval rating in the U.S. Navy, with secretarial or administrative duties - see List of United States Navy ratings. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the new edits for USN Yeoman. I am adding a History section to improve the article. There is a new subsection on the WW1-era Yeoman School conducted by the US Navy. I'm adding a link to this article from Yeoman in the lead. Even though the Yeoman (F) did not attend (I seem to remember that the Navy only hired skilled women), but it gives some insights into what the Navy expected of these women. BTW, the paragraph in the lead concerning duties is too detailed for an article summary. I would recommend that the paragraph be moved to The military's first enlisted women section. Unless anyone objects, I will do so. -- --AnalyticalHistoricalHobbyist (talk) 15:02, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeomanette vs. female Yeoman[edit]

I recently edited the intro to replace most instances of "Yeomanette" (the slang or popular term then) to "female Yeomen" (the official Navy term), commenting that "Yeomanette" is jarring to 2008 eyes. User:Binksternet reverted the edit, commenting "Jarring or not, Yeomanettes is the term that was used".

Would other editors please compare the two versions -- for convenience, the previous edit is here -- and comment as to which you prefer.

Thanks in advance, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the Navy Department was quite specific about not using the term "yeomanette" or its companion, found in many newspaper articles, "yeowoman". Yeoman (F), female yeoman, etc., are appropriate. Dessez, in her 1955 book, _The First Enlisted Women_, used only the terms Yeoman F and female yeomen, as did Ebbert and Hall, in their more recent book about Navy and Marine Corps women in WWI. The women, themselves, established their own service organization and named it National Yeoman (F). The terms "yeomanette" and "yeowoman" should be discussed, but there is no reason to use them throughout the article.Mhjohns (talk) 02:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for researching the usage. That's a much better rationale than "jarring to 2008 eyes". I accept that the usages "yeomanette" and "yeowoman" should be mentioned but briefly. Binksternet (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks as well for good research. I'll make the change when time permits, unless someone else beats me to it. Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Time permitted me first, apparently. Check my work, please. Binksternet (talk) 18:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your changes look good. It is good to work with you both. Mhjohns(talk) 18:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise -- thanks to both of you. This is how Wikipedia editing is supposed to work! Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 19:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC), doing his taxes[reply]