Talk:Zhuan Zhu

This article was nominated for deletion on 28 February 2024. The result of the discussion was keep.

China Low‑importance

	China portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject China, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of China related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChinaWikipedia:WikiProject ChinaTemplate:WikiProject ChinaChina-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Military history: Biography / Asian / Chinese Start‑class

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

Start

This article has been rated as Start-class on the project's quality scale.

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion not met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military biography task force
	Asian military history task force
	Chinese military history task force

Biography: Military

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the military biography work group.

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(

Comment or view
Article history

)

... that Zhuan Zhu assassinated a king with a dagger he hid inside a cooked fish? Source: several in article; its what he's known for
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Note that IP 2A02:1406:6B:9548:68EE:F8E1:674B:2343 wrote everything; I'm merely nominating it since it seemed like a pretty decent hook.

5x expanded by 2A02:1406:6B:9548:68EE:F8E1:674B:2343 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 153 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The hook is interesting. The article was rated as a stub but isn't: I've re-rated it C-class.
A serious stumbling block here is the prose quality. The second sentence says: Zhuan Zhu used to be a butcher, he was very filial to his mother. I don't know what the second clause means, or what relation it has to the first clause. In fact I'm not even sure if Zhuan Zhu was ever a butcher or just came from a butcher family (as the body says). Then, early in the body, the quote "When he heard his wife call, he would immediately return. Isn't this the beginning of the fear of wives?" (if it's an accurate translation) needs some explanation and (in our own words) "In truth, it was because Zhuan Zhu's wife held his mother's cane" is equally impenetrable. Is "he regarded the cane as his mother" supposed to mean "the cane symbolized his mother" or "the cane was important because it came from his mother" or something else? What does "stretch out" mean in: "Those who can submit to a woman can surely stretch out above ten thousand men"? In the next paragraph, what are "outside matters"? And so on.
I'm happy to take some things on good faith as I can't read Chinese, but I need more information on source reliability. Is this a blog—what are the author's credentials? Same with this.
I see that this is being nominated on behalf of an IP user, who presumably has fewer than five nominations. Given that we're in a backlog it would still be good to see QPQs from BeanieFan11 but we might put a pin in this until it's clear the nomination is viable.

I'd like to make this work but it does need substantial input from someone qualified to read and understand the sources. @BeanieFan11: do you think this will be possible? — Bilorv (talk) 19:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... I'll check it out soon to see if its salvageable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @BeanieFan11: I see the article hasn't been touched for a few days. Do you have a timeframe for addressing these issues? If not I'll fail the nomination at the one-week mark (13 April). — Bilorv (talk) 16:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Bilorv: Do you think you could give me until the 15th? Have been pretty busy but should be able to get to it by then; otherwise you could fail it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - @BeanieFan11: yep, I'll check back in on the 15th. — Bilorv (talk) 16:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - @BeanieFan11:, the issues have not been addressed, so am marking this as rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Understood. I had talked to another user about this and they said it would take an enormous amount of effort to verify everything and address the issues, so I didn't take much of a look. Fine with this being rejected. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]