Talk:Zungeni Mountain skirmish
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A fact from Zungeni Mountain skirmish appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Did you know nomination[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- ... that immediately after Colonel Drury-Lowe reassured his men "You are all right, [the Zulu bullets] are all passing over your heads" his adjutant, sat next to him, was shot and killed (pictured)? Source: "Lt Frith was on the left with the Col and the latter was just saying "You are all right men You are all right they are all passing over your heads" when a bullet pierced the heart of our poor Adjt. He only exclaimed "Oh Im shot" and dropped dead off his horse" from pages 87-88 of: Clammer, David (1980). "The Recollections of Miles Gissop: With the 17th Lancers in Zululand". Journal of the Society for Army Historical Research. 58 (234): 78–92. ISSN 0037-9700. and "the young adjutant of the 17th Lancers, Frederick Cokayne Frith, was killed by a shot, as is shown in our front-page illustration, falling from his horse, between Colonel Drury Lower, who was at his right hand, and Mr. Francis, Special Correspondent of the Times, who rode on his left" from: "Zulu War Illustrations". Illustrated London News. No. 2094. 2 August 1879. p. 109.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 18:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Very interesting new article, hook source on JSTOR verified thanks to WP:LIBRARY. The text there doesn't use a comma ("You are all right men You are all right they are all passing over your heads") but MOS:PMC seems apt for readability here; no meaning of the quote is changed (hey, I've got to point something out haven't I!?). I had to look up if we have an article for adjutant, and noticed this isn't linked in either the hook or the article. I think we certainly need a link in the article, but I think one in the hook is at the nominator's discretion. The hook is currently 195 chars; if we need to trim the hook I think we could lose "sat next to him" and, if necessary, reword to "[the bullets]". MIDI (talk) 20:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review MIDI, I had linked adjutant in the main body but not the lead. Now done in both; I'd rather not link it in the hook but can be done if necessary. I quite like "sat next to him" as it makes the connection between the incidents closer, but happy to discuss trimming if needed. The hook is within the 200 characters hard limit - Dumelow (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Zawed (talk · contribs) 08:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
I'll take this one, comments to follow in due course. Zawed (talk) 08:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Firstly, it is good to see an article from one of Queen Victoria's "Little Wars" here at GA. I picked up on a few things, but a lot of it is simply about links and slight clarity/contextual tweaks for ease of reading, as otherwise it is in pretty good order. My comments:
Lead[edit]
- link colonel, levies, irregular horse (this could be to Irregular military), Major-General, squadron, Lieutenant
- Maybe add a qualifier to the first sentence, perhaps "...in what is now South Africa"
- Perhaps delete the "regular" from "regular British cavalry"? I think if using "irregular", then any units not identified as such will inherently be understood to be regular units.
Background[edit]
- link Zululand? For context, I wonder if it may be helpful to provide some written context for what constitutes Zululand, even if it is simply just referred to its modern day location in South Africa.
- Chelmsford relieved the Siege of Eshowe...: Siege should be lower case here. I also suggest adding, perhaps in the previous paragraph that the British were besieged at Eshowe to provide more context.
- The reinforced Centre Column, including the cavalry brigade,...: To provide better context for the Centre Column, perhaps rephrase to something like, "Following the fighting at Isandlwana, the survivors of the Centre Column were reinforced with the cavalry brigade..."
- Link Ulundi, irregular horse, any ranks on first mention
- had moved forwards...: forwards should be forward
Skirmish[edit]
- ...included a squadron of Baker's Horse...: link squadron here
- Marshall received news that a sizeable Zulu force...: to me this implies Marshall was the commander of 2nd Division but the background sectoon says Newdigate was. Also is this Zulu force that of the first skirmish or another group of Zulu?
Aftermath[edit]
- Suggest integrating the first sentence of this section into the last paragraph of the previous section; some parts of it are redundant and what is left would work better there I think.
- link levies
- returned to Natal, others were kept: suggest "returned to Natal, while others were kept"
Other stuff[edit]
- Generally sources look fine. Place of publication for the Laband and Smith books
- The images look to be OK although there is an "invalid parameter" field in the licensing section for the Zungeni map image. I think the Death of lt frith should be able to be moved to Commons as Melton Prior died in 1910 and tags amended accordingly.
- No dupe links
That's it for me, placing the review on hold for now. Zawed (talk) 03:25, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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