Template:Did you know nominations/Air Lock Diving-Bell Plant
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
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Air Lock Diving-Bell Plant[edit]
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Making ready for departure to Gibraltar in 1902
- ... that this contraption (pictured) made in Wivenhoe, worked in the Gibraltar harbour for more than 60 years? Source: https://www.merseamuseum.org.uk/mmphoto.php?pid=BF73_001_079_060&hit=155&tot=225&typ=cat&cat=501,292,254 Mersea Island Museum
- ALT1:... that this mysterious vessel from Essex was destined for Gibraltar? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20040726095307/http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/Getting_Down_to_the_Job.htm Gibraltar Chronicle
- ALT2:... that this contraption from Essex was built for Gibraltar? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20040726095307/http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/Getting_Down_to_the_Job.htm Gibraltar Chronicle
- ALT1:... that this mysterious vessel from Essex was destined for Gibraltar? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20040726095307/http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/Getting_Down_to_the_Job.htm Gibraltar Chronicle
Created by Broichmore (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 3 May 2019 (UTC).
- Article is new and long enough. However, I can't see exactly where in the source it says that the plant was made in Wivenhoe (the article cites a picture taken in Wivenhoe, which is not necessarily the same thing), or the claim for 60 years service. There a few bits of close paraphrasing from the MCDOA source, including "On positioning the barge over one anchor, the chamber" and "the entry tube through an airlock and go down a vertical ladder to the working chamber" which are minor but won't hurt just to copyedit a little. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:59, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
- Says Wivenhoe in the lead paragraph about twenty words in. Made in Wivenhoe reference is Mersea Museum. Service in Gibraltar is here Gibraltar Chronicle I take your point on the paraphrasing I'll clean it up some more. Thanks. -Broichmore (talk) 16:20, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I've got it - we're using the dates on the original sources to calculate the 60 year timespan. Okay, that resolves my concerns. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I came by to promote this, but the article still needs a little work. You can remove all those uncontroversial cites from the lead and put them in the body. I edited the lead to bring it in line with MOS:LEAD, but the lead should also say when it was taken out of commission, as in your hook. I changed the italicized text to quotes, and added a "clarification needed" tag to the use of "Our" under Working pressures—is this also part of a quote? Yoninah (talk) 20:53, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah:Thank you for your many suggestions which I find very useful. I moved some of the cites away from the intro as suggested. There is no published date for decommissioning, it could be working today for all I know; though it probably went with the Moorland in 1971 with the rundown of the Navy in the Med. Use of a word like Our here is my affectation, and not from a quote. The bell only ever worked in Gibraltar. I would defend here, the use of phrases (Illustrated here is an) The Air Lock Diving-Bell Plant illustrated here and The mooring vessel mentioned, the HMS Moorland... Regarding the former, viewing the images is crucial and major to understanding the article; as for the latter, the Moorland is interesting because it informs the story but it's not part of the history; this plant had to work in tandem with tugs. So I would like to revert those edits in particular. I kind of prefer the ALT1 hook, but feel it could be bettered? -Broichmore (talk) 12:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, go ahead and do what you like. Since it will appear on the main page, other editors will probably have what to say about your unusual lead style. Regarding the hooks, if the article says nothing about 60 years, ALT0 isn't appropriate. Regarding ALT1, the vessel really isn't mysterious–the article tells us what it is. I like the use of "this contraption" in the beginning of the hook: "... that this contraption (pictured) ..." What else would you like to write for the hook? Yoninah (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah:Thank you for your many suggestions which I find very useful. I moved some of the cites away from the intro as suggested. There is no published date for decommissioning, it could be working today for all I know; though it probably went with the Moorland in 1971 with the rundown of the Navy in the Med. Use of a word like Our here is my affectation, and not from a quote. The bell only ever worked in Gibraltar. I would defend here, the use of phrases (Illustrated here is an) The Air Lock Diving-Bell Plant illustrated here and The mooring vessel mentioned, the HMS Moorland... Regarding the former, viewing the images is crucial and major to understanding the article; as for the latter, the Moorland is interesting because it informs the story but it's not part of the history; this plant had to work in tandem with tugs. So I would like to revert those edits in particular. I kind of prefer the ALT1 hook, but feel it could be bettered? -Broichmore (talk) 12:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah:Yes, good point. I guess they will take exception to my style. What about ALT2? Broichmore (talk) 14:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)