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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:37, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

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Campanino[edit]

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Campanino apples (National Fruit Collection, UK)
Campanino apples (National Fruit Collection, UK)
  • ... that Campanino apples (pictured) have high content of antioxidants (up to four times more than Golden Delicious apples), high content of pectin and polyphenols, as well as ascorbic acid (vitamin C)? Source: E. Cocci; G. Sacchetti; M. Carboni; G.G. Pinnavaia; D. Mastrocola (2003). "Caratterizzazione e valorizzazione tecnologica di antiche varietà di melo dell'Emilia Romagna: studio sulle proprietà funzionali di trasformati in purea". Rivista di Frutticoltura (3): 69-72., cited here
    • ALT1:...that Campanino apples (pictured) can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, without any use of refrigeration? Source: Agriculture department of Regione Emilia-Romagna; Sacchetti G.; Cocci E.; Pinnavaia G.G.; Mastrocola D.; Dalla Rosa M. (2008). "Influence of processing and storage on the activity of apple derivates". International Journal of Food Science and Technology (43): 797-804., cited here
    • ATL2: ...that Campanino apples (pictured) can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, since their flesh is hard like marble? Source: "Mela campanina di Modena". Tradizioni e sapori di Modena (in Italian). Camera di Commercio di Modena.

Created by Holapaco77 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:02, 11 May 2018 (UTC).

Review


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - The first hook seems too technical to be easily verifiable from an Italian language source. ALT1 is better but the source seems to indicate that the apples were preserved using natural cold and frost. That might not be easy and is arguably a natural form of refrigeration. I suggest focussing on the fact that the frost makes them taste better.
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Andrew D. (talk) 21:06, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

  • @Holapaco77: Hello, it has been almost two months since the last comments in this nomination, and some paragraphs are still unsourced. Please source them as soon as possible so that this nomination can proceed. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson:@Narutolovehinata5:  Done, all paragraph have citations now. Thanks you. --Holapaco77 (talk) 11:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Noted. While I'm almost ready to approve this, Andrew has some suggestions for the hook and it might be needed to take them into account. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, actually the area of origin of this apple is Modena, Italy, where there is a humid mediterranean climate (see: Modena#Climate), so there is not any "natural cold" in this area. Campanino apple lasts so long (120-180 days, instead of 60-90 days of "normal" average apples) because the flesh is very hard (they say "like the marble") and the harvesting is in middle october, while normal apples are harvested in september. Anyway, the hook can be changed as "...that Campanino apples can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, since their flesh is hard like marble?" (or something like that). --Holapaco77 (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Neither the Wikipedia article nor a google translation of the Italian source say the flesh is hard like marble, so I'm striking those variants. The Wikipedia article says "its white and clean pulp looks like marble", which is much more appealing than breaking one's teeth on something rock-like. The ALT1 hook is appealing, but as noted the original source is somewhat confusing. @Holapaco77, Andrew Davidson, and Narutolovehinata5: One option is to rename the hook ALT1a and support it with a more clearly stated source, see below. I've also added some more information to the article and suggested an ALT2. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:10, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1a:...that Campanino apples (pictured) can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, without any use of refrigeration? "The main feature that has made it successful since ancient times is the extraordinary preservability that allows, even without refrigeration, to consume fresh and fragrant fruit from the beginning of October, harvesting period, until April." Source: Google translate of Mela campanina di Modena, Tradizioni e sapori di Modena
  • ALT2:...that Campanino apples (pictured) or quinces are cooked with sugar and mustard to make a sweet-hot condiment, mostarda, that has been eaten since the Middle Ages? "The Campanina apples and quinces are the most suitable kinds of fruit used to make our traditional `mostarda` that is generally served with cheese and boiled meat. This product dates back to Medieval and Renaissance times ... The main ingredients are: Campanina apples or quinces, sugar and mustard." Source: Agriturismomantova
I have no objections to the article proceeding. ALT2 is a promising hook but, myself, I'd trim it down to the following. Andrew D. (talk) 12:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Okay, I think all issues have been addressed now, and I'm giving ALT2b the tick per being interesting (or at least educational) and being cited inline. Rest of the review per Andrew, this is good to go. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:41, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote ALT2b, but I don't see "spicy" or the "mantovana" name in the article. Yoninah (talk) 18:04, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
There has been no response regarding the hook fact for 2 weeks. If this is not addressed shortly, I will have to close the nomination as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
I have left a message on the nominator's talk page. They appear to be active right now, so hoping for a prompt response. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT2b is also ok for me and very good. @Yoninah: about the "spicy relish" see "sweet-and-hot condiment"; for the "mostarda mantovana" it's the same of "mostarda di Mantova", that is the official name, as written in the official list of it:Prodotti agroalimentari tradizionali lombardi (traditional foodstuff of Lombardy).--Holapaco77 (talk) 05:09, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Okay, we can fix it as:
--Holapaco77 (talk) 06:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you, that's much better. ALT2c hook ref verified and cited inline. I looked over the article and notice that you have a whole list of regions and varieties under "Growing area" that is not cited. Where is that from? Yoninah (talk) 20:05, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
  • OK. Could you add a sentence before the list explaining what you're listing, and add the cite after that sentence? Yoninah (talk) 21:24, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you. ALT2c verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Andrew Davidson. ALT2c good to go. Yoninah (talk) 10:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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