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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:28, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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Caroline Augusta Huling[edit]

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  • ... that the 1896 novel The Courage of Her Convictions by Caroline Augusta Huling is the story of a woman who is artificially inseminated? Source: "Women's History" ([1] "In Huling's novel The Courage of Her Convictions (1896), the heroine wants to have a child and is artificially inseminated because she is disillusioned by the character of men")

Created by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 12:52, 20 August 2017 (UTC).

  • Sorry, but this is way too close to the source: it's practically copied from Woman of the Century. Drmies (talk) 03:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
The article was expanded from the PD source, and the hook ALT0 (which I find the most interesting) is not in the source at all and it's an additional details that I discovered researching to confirm the historical source. There are much more details in the article that are not in the PD source. Elisa.rolle (talk) 13:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
The key is whether there are at least 1500 characters of original prose beyond the copied or closely paraphrased public domain material. If so, then the nomination can qualify; if not, then not. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:55, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
2933 characters are NOT in PD source: "The published record of her mother's family proves her direct descent from John Alden and Priscilla Alden (ascending line: Alden Spooner , Judah Paddock Spooner , Rebecca Paddock , Alice Alden , David , John), made famous by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Caroline Augusta Huling chose journalism as her profession. Under the tuition of her father she began active work when but twelve years old, starting with society reporting in the ballrooms of Saratoga Springs. Later on, sermons and conventions were entrusted to her. For several years Huling followed the usual routine of most young women, entering society and taking an active interest in temperance and church work. President Grover Cleveland, then Governor of New York and with whom her family had political connections, made her a notary public, the first woman in New York to be appointed a notary public. In 1884 she went to Chicago to attend the national suffrage convention and decided to move permanently and try to self-support herself as journalist and devoting most of her time to the cause of woman's enfranchisement. She became an associate editor of a trade journal in Chicago answering a want ad as "C. A. Huling", to avoid being identified as a woman. In March 1888, Huling attended the International Council of Women conference in Washington, D.C., and was a link between Chicago and the women's movement internationally. Huling published The Bookseller and edited many newsletters such as Social Progress, The Stylus, and The Sentinel. She was the author of the novels, The Courage of Her Convictions (1896) and Letters of a Business Woman to Her Niece. In The Courage of Her Convictions the heroine, wanting a child, is artificially inseminated since she is disillusioned by men. In the end she marries her doctor, who is the father of the baby, realizing her child needs both parents. In 1912 Huling founded the Midwest chapter of Alden Kindred of America. Huling was an active member of many other societies as well, like the Daughters of the American Revolution, the Hugenot Society of Pennsylvania, the Institute of American Genealogy, the Woman's City Club of Chicago, and the Society of Midland Authors. They were: Maria Smith Huling (1843-1918, married George Oberne (1843-1911)), Alden Spooner Huling (born 1845, married Ida M. Ferris (born ca. 1851)), Mary Jermaine Huling (born 1847, married Eugene Dibble Ainsworth (born ca. 1843) and (2) A. LeRoy Freeman (born ca. 1843), Nancy L'Amoreux Huling (born 1850), John Beekman Huling (1852-1917, married Mary Eliza Eberwine (1859-1951)), Henry Pierson Huling (born 1853, married Ellen Newell (born ca. 1854)), Katherine Barclay Huling (born 1858), Edmund James Huling (born 1860), Margaret Olivia Huling (1863-1874). She died in 1941 and is buried at Oak Hill Cemetery, Downers Grove, Illinois. The Caroline Alden Huling papers are in the Special Collections at the University of Illinois at Chicago." Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:54, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
New, in time, enough original prose, hook citation checks out (added inline), no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. --Usernameunique (talk) 02:34, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Article contains close paraphrasing of apparently non-free sources. For example, compare "is artificially inseminated since she is disillusioned by men" vs "is artificially inseminated because she is disillusioned by the character of men". Nikkimaria (talk) 14:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Aside that the sentence is paraphrased how much as possible, that is from the Papers of Huling at University of Illinois at Chicago, and Finding Aid from Papers are usually free to use (there is indeed no copyright on that page). But to be sure here is the page of University of Illinois at Chicago where it's stated: [3] "Open Educational Resources (OER) are teaching and learning materials that are freely available online for everyone to use, whether you are an instructor, student, or self-learner [...] OER Resources allow users to: Retain -- users have the right to make, archive, and own copies of the content; Reuse -- content can be reused in its unaltered form; Revise -- content can be adapted, adjusted, modified, and altered; Remix -- original or revised content can be combined with other content to create something new; Redistribute -- copies of the content can be shared with others in its original, revised or remixed form. Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:28, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
[chicagohistoryfair.org/history-fair/history-fair-topics/subject-essays/chicago-women-history-topics.html]: Violation Unlikely, 26.5%, confidence
[alden.org/aldengenealogy/database/pafg604.htm]: Violation Unlikely, 8.3%, confidence
[germanday.com/2017/07/03/eintracht-to-continue-in-posterity]: Violation Unlikely, 4.8%, confidence
[chicagocollections.org/membership/consortium-current-members/uic]: Violation Unlikely, 3.8%, confidence
[connect.ala.org/node/247616]: Violation Unlikely, 3.8%, confidence
and the text highlighted above (that I changed even if it was free to use): [4]: 0% of copyvio Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Your link is to a guide explaining what OERs are, not that the finding aids are OERs. And automated tools are very bad at catching paraphrasing that is not identical but still too close to the original. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
I have reworded the affected paragraphs. Nikkimaria, anything else? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 17:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, footnote 4 at several points. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:08, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Nikkimaria I reworded that one. That's the one that you contrasted above re: the book about an artificial insemination. Compare:
Source: "is artificially inseminated because she is disillusioned by the character of men"
WP old: "is artificially inseminated since she is disillusioned by men"
WP now: "the heroine, wanting a child but disillusioned by men, seeks artificial insemination as a compromise."--Usernameunique (talk) 18:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Nikkimaria, do you have any objections to restoring the tick now that the close paraphrasing has been dealt with? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Suggest rewording or quoting the line about ICW first. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Nikkimaria Reworded that one already, but have done so more upon your suggestion:
Source: Huling had just attended the International Council of Women conference held in Washington, D.C., in March 1888 and was a link between Chicago and the women's movement internationally
WP old: In March 1888, Huling attended the International Council of Women conference in Washington, D.C., where she was a link between the women's movement in Chicago, and the movement internationally.
WP now: In March 1888 Huling went to a conference in Washington, D.C., put on by the International Council of Women. There she served as a link connecting the Chicago and international women's movements.
Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 05:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Restoring tick now that issues of close paraphrasing have been dealt with. --Usernameunique (talk) 02:39, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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