Template:Did you know nominations/Chandra Khonnokyoong
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:07, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
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Chandra Khonnokyoong[edit]
- ... that an illiterate Thai nun became a highly revered spiritual leader in her community, to the extent that hundred thousands of monks came to her funeral?Source: "On the day of her funeral, February 3, 2002, attendance at the temple purportedly surpassed 250,000. ... The reverence paid to Khun Yay during her lifetime and after her death by the Dhammakāya community is striking given the general cultural prejudices against female renunciants in contemporary Thailand." (Scott, 2010, p.507) Source:"It is well known that Khun Yai Chan was illiterate." (Mackenzie, 2007, p.38)
- ALT1:... that Chandra Khonnokyoong, a Thai Buddhist nun, wanted to learn to meditate to find her father in the afterlife? Source: "She was particularly concerned about an incident where her father ... cursed his children with deafness for the next 500 births. Chan thus wanted to meet again with him and offer her apologies for making him angry. At the age of 26, Chan went to Bangkok after hearing 'Luang Phaw Sot had rediscovered the Wisdom of Dhammakaya that included the knowledge of heaven and hell.'" (Mackenzie, 2007, p.34)Source: " Her father died before Khun Yay could formally ask for forgiveness; as a result, she worried about the power of her father’s curse to affect her present and future lives. ... It was this motivation that led Khun Yay to practice dhammakāya meditation in 1927." (Scott, 2009, pp.71–72)
Improved to Good Article status by Farang Rak Tham (talk) and Thanissaro (talk). Nominated by Farang Rak Tham (talk) at 12:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC).
New, long enough, within policy. Hook isn't cited with an inline citation in the article (at least not right after the sentence, which is preferred).
- Thanks for taking up the review. Fixed citations inline.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- I recommend changing "hundred thousands" to "250,000", both more precise and shorter. I prefer the main hook to the alt hook, though, more interesting. I also recommend removing "which is unusual for a maechi in Thailand" from that text in the article - it's blatantly obvious that having 250,000 people show up to a funeral is unusual for anyone anywhere.
unusual for a maechi
refers to the fact that this has never happened to a female religious figure before in Thailand. Though uncommon, huge mass cremations have been held for male religious leaders (every 5 years or so). E.g. Ajahn Maha Bua, Nyanasamvara Suvaddhana, etc.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Also some references are repeated: at least Rachelle Scott's 3 sources have 6 entries in the ref list between them. --GRuban (talk) 17:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, the image is questionable. It isn't clear what it is at a small size (the people are barely visible), and I highly doubt it's free - the YouTube video is marked free, true, but it's a video of a photo? That makes it suspicious. Here is what looks like a larger version of the photo: http://upic.me/show/34323984 - I think it should be nominated for deletion. The article itself is probably good without the photo. --GRuban (talk) 18:05, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the catch. Removed from hook.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
The inline citation was added, which is the only strict requirement, and I thank you for cleaning up the ref list, but I still recommend: (a) changing the "hundred thousands" to 250,000 (or 200,000 if you want to use the Somsin, Benjawan Nation article), because its shorter, and the words "hundred thousands" are relatively uncommon; and (b) to rephrase the "which is unusual for a maechi in Thailand" in the text in the article. If you want to say that this has never happened for a female religious figure in Thailand, then say that - "which had never happened for a female religious figure" - but then you'll need a source that says that. Just saying "is unusual" sounds redundant to the obvious fact that funerals with 200,000 people are obviously unusual, as I wrote. --GRuban (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- I propose ALT2:...that an illiterate Thai nun became a highly revered spiritual leader in her community, and more than 200,000 people came to her funeral?
- Rephrased text in article, and added quote. Thanks!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:14, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
