Template:Did you know nominations/Coins 'n Things

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The result was: promoted by Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:01, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Coins 'n Things[edit]

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... that a coin collecting shop has become the largest supplier of gold to the U.S. Treasury?

Reviewed: Vitus Bering

Created/expanded by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 22:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

The hook-supporting citation talks about "Massachussets" being the largest supplier, not this particular shop. Perhaps this hook should be replaced by another. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 03:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. You caught one important error, but the hook is valid. My error was in quoting the "60%" number (in the article only; it's not in the hook). That number applies to the combined market share of two Massachusetts companies. The sources say that Coins 'n Things is the largest supplier, but its share of the government business is about half rather than 60%. (The other Massachusetts company accounts for about 9% of the total.) I corrected the article.

Regarding the hook, I think you and I must be reading different sentences in the sources. The Bloomberg BusinessWeek source says "Today, Coins ’N Things is the largest seller of raw gold to the federal government." The Boston Business Journal source says "The top gold vendor in the country is a 50-person family business in Bridgewater called Coins ’n Things." It also says "The company surged past much larger rivals to take the top spot." The hook is valid. --Orlady (talk) 04:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The version I read originally was this where the hook is stated as

In fiscal year 2011, the company became the U.S. federal government's largest supplier of precious metals, with nearly 60 percent of the contracts to supply silver and gold to the United States Mint.[2]

Where citation [2] is the "Boston Business Journal", As you stated the "Boston Business Journal" says: "The top gold vendor in the country is a 50-person family business in Bridgewater called Coins ’n Things." It also says "The company surged past much larger rivals to take the top spot." which does not mention that: ...it has become the largest supplier of gold to the U.S. Treasury. So the hook cannot be verified by using the "Boston Business Journal" as I stated originally. In a later version, after I reviewed the article, you added another citation from the Bloomberg BusinessWeek to support the hook. Now the hook is supported by both citations:

In fiscal year 2011, the company became the U.S. federal government's largest supplier of precious metals, with government gold sales that accounted for about half of the $3.8 billion in contracts to supply silver and gold to the United States Mint during the year.[1][2]

If you had added both citations from the beginning to the hook, the hook verification would have been much easier. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 05:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Good to go. Length, hook, verified. No plagiarism or close paraphrasing issues found. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 05:35, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- I beg to differ. The article clearly says that "After his father's death in 2008, Mark Oliari closed the shop to focus exclusively on metals trading." Clearly it was never a coin shop while doing business with the government as the hook unabashedly implies. Circéus (talk) 17:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
  - It's still the same company. It started out as a coin shop, the company added metals trading business over time, and it truly has become a wholesale metals trading business that is the largest supplier of gold to the U.S. Treasury. Furthermore, it still has a name consistent with being a coin shop. FWIW, I started this article after I perused the current list of the 100 top federal contractors (government-wide and by agency) and saw that a company with the unlikely name "COINS N THINGS" was the top contractor to the Treasury Department with about $1.9 billion in contracts. (Most companies high on those lists are giants like Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Boeing, and IBM.) In researching it, I found some online reviews by people who had contacted the company thinking it was a coin shop, who complained about rude treatment from people who informed that it doesn't do retail business. --Orlady (talk) 17:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
    - Although the "DYKno" symbol was used above, the issue is merely a disagreement with the hook wording. Somebody else should look at this. --Orlady (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

- Article meets size and date criteria, is thoroughly sourced. I agree that the hook accurately describes the company. This looks good to go. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 20:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Although it may be "coin-collecting" (with a hyphen). ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC)