Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in Yemen
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The result was: rejected by Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
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Crime in Yemen[edit]
- ... that according to the United States Department of State (seal pictured), the police in Yemen are "largely unaccountable"?
Created by Bonkers The Clown (talk). Self nominated at 10:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC).
Date of creation, length, neutrality, copyvio all checked. QPQ done. Pic is free but I don't think it's that appropriate for the hook, since it's not about Yemen, and you don't want to distract readers towards the already existing United States Department of State article, do you? I suggest you to drop it from the DYK. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 11:57, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I have pulled this one from the queue as I think the article needs work, especially with statements such as "The state of Yemen as it is currently has forced its citizens to commit crimes against one another and foreigners" etc. Gatoclass (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Since it was my task and I missed to check the whole article sentence-by-sentence for NPOV-issues I try to make up for my fault and read it fondly. Although some of the sentences sound like a forged statements, I implemented good faith and assumed that the editor just forget to attach a reference to them like to that one sentence Gatoclass gave as an example. In that case altough ref1 (travel.state.gov) does not verify the claim, with a quick Google search I found this, which contains "An absence of guarantees that perpetrators of crime will be adequately punished by the Yemeni Government has led many Yemeni citizens to take justice into their own hands, sparking blood feuds(confrontations that can be carried forward through generations) and escalations in these verity of street justice (Colburn 2002: 59)." With this as a reference and with a minor rephrasing the sentence in question could stay. However there are other instances, where the claim is unsupported by its ref (e.g. "Despite the high rate of prostitution in the country, the government has instead chosen to assign its efforts on part of the War on Terror, and this issue is largely ignored"), I still truly think that these are not falsified facts but just missing some sources. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 22:37, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yemen Telegraph does say that the government wants to concentrate more on al-Qaeda ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 01:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- For me it was a dead link, which redirected to the main page of wordpress.com. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 07:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have posted about this at WT:DYK, and following on by raising some issues for consideration. The following list is based on my opinion, and is not exhaustive:
- The lede ("Crime is present in various forms in Yemen.") is inadequate. It should summarise the article.
- The coverage is far from complete - it covers crimes against foreigners, prostitution, and corruption, but nothing else. What about property crimes and crimes of violence? What about crimes against citizens? What crimes are most common? How does the just system work - surely links here would appropriate, along with a brief summary? Are the criminal codes based on religious or secular principles?
- Balance is a problem, the text seems slanted against Yemen and violates NPOV. Apparently the government forces its citizens to commit crimes. Was the Embassy attack forced by the government? Was it a crime or an act of terrorism?
- Over-the-top generalisations - for example, corruption goes from "there are known cases of corruption in the Yemeni police force" to "law enforcement ... is ... lousy, and both the police and the government in Yemen are deemed to be unworthy of trust" to abuse of authority happening "very often." This is not encyclopedic text, it is not fair, and it needs a proper copy-edit.
- In its present form, this article is not ready for the main page. EdChem (talk) 02:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- PS: Create a talk page, tag with wikiprojects and have it assessed. It's probably start-class, but that should be determined in line with DYK requirements.
It has been over two weeks since the above, and no action has been taken. As the article remains not ready for the main page, the nomination is being closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
