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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Elli Hatschek[edit]

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Created by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment: The ALT1 hook can be amended to the word "executed" if "guillotined" is too graphic. I am halfway inclined to do it myself, but I think "guillotined" will attract more attention.
Also, this article is a translation from the German Wikipedia and was very short. Because I knew some of the background information that was not in the German original could be found in an article I wrote last year, I fleshed out the second paragraph with a few details from European Union (resistance group). Marrante (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)/
  • Comment: I have tweaked ALT1 to add the daughter's name, which is now an article. In fact, if this is used, the nom can be a triple nom with all three family members' articles now in shape enough for DYK. Marrante (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment: Something has come up and I will be unable to respond to any questions about this nom until September 3 or 4. Marrante (talk) 23:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Hook: Prefer ALT1. Both short enough. ALT1 is more interesting. Hook fact checks out.
Article: Long enough, new enough. At least 1 citation per paragraph. Spotcheck looks fine, AGF on German sources. References need clean-up, no publisher information.
Please add publisher information. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the review. I am back, but am exhausted and will try to fix this tomorrow or the next day. Marrante (talk) 01:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Publisher info added. No pub dates available, unfortunately. Marrante (talk) 10:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Good to go! Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:29, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
  • I think this is a well done article and quite fascinating, but doesn't anybody else think this article isn't WP:Notable? Elli only seems notable due to her relationship to her husband and the fact that she was executed, more or less for her husband's activities. I think this article should be merged with the article on her husband, Paul Hatschek. Plot Spoiler (talk) 04:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Plot Spoiler, this article was translated directly from the German WP article—and expanded as much as I could manage. I don't have a strong opinion as to whether or not this article is merged or not, but I think the notability requirement is met because there are references to her in both books and other third-party sites, though it's true that there isn't much known about her. Also, the nom can be expanded to a three-article nom, as I mentioned in an early comment, well before the five-day cut-off, since I quickly did both the articles on her husband and his daughter after writing this one. Also, thank you Crisco for adding the photo of Elli Hatschek. I hadn't realized that it could be added and it does lend so much to the article. All those Gestapo photos are extraordinary. Marrante (talk) 06:36, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
  • I meant to mention before that the notability of Elli Hatschek is not that she was executed, but the reason she was executed. She was not accused of high treason, as were most German resistance members. There was nothing I could find about the charges against her other than Wehrkraftzersetzung, "undermining the military" or "harming military morale". She was executed for using banned speech and I think that makes her notable. Marrante (talk) 06:50, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Regarding image: You're welcome, Marrante. Photos of deceased people, especially those who died prior to the internet era, are often accepted as fair-use.
Regarding article: I think she passes WP:GNG. The article already cites two blurbs about her, and I'm pretty sure there should be contemporary sources about her. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
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