Template:Did you know nominations/Geoff Schwartz

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 10:23, 18 March 2013 (UTC).

Geoff Schwartz

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• ... that National Football League player Geoff Schwartz didn't start playing football until age 13, because his parents wanted him to study for his Bar Mitzvah?

• ALT1 ... that when National Football League player Geoff Schwartz played high school basketball, he was nicknamed "Ghost in the Post"?

• Reviewed: Michel Abreu

5x expanded by Epeefleche (talk). Self nominated at 23:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC).

• - Fivefold expanded, long enough nominated in time, has inline citation, interesting hook, everything checks out. Though there are some minor issues: You should mention his brother before his parents talk about having two sons in the NFL. I got a little confused when I read that they talked about two sons, when his brother wasn't mentioned (yet). Are there any particular reason why you use three and four citations behind some claims? It seems unnecessary, and looks like WP:Bombardment. When it comes to the hook, I feel that the original hook is somewhat misleading. Both the article and the sources says that it's two reasons he didn't start playing until age 13 while the hook only mentions one of em. ALT1 is good, though I found a fact (I like facts for DYK's) in the article that I thought was more interesting then any of the hooks, but that includes his brother (hook below). If you consider expanding his brothers article aswell, you'll have a good hook here. Mentoz86 (talk) 14:06, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that Geoff and Mitchell Schwartz are the first Jewish brothers to play in the National Football League since 1923?

• Tx for your good comments. Fixed in accord w/good point re order of mention of brother. As to footnotes -- as sometimes these particular subjects attract controversy on facts for some reason, I think the fns are generally appropriate, but will consider paring some anyway having read that essay (perhaps that is more a GA review type comment anyway than a DYK issue). I disagree that the hook is at all misleading -- it is in the nature of hooks; it is accurate, but does not tell the full story, as we have 200 characters and wish to "hook" the reader in to read the article. It was in fact a reason -- simply not the only reason. I wouldn't use Alt2 -- I may expand his brother's article and seek DYK, but will likely not have time this week, so I may want to use Alt2 for that article if I am able to expand five-fold.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• Well yeah, you have a point about the original hook: it is more "hooky" then it is misleading. Might be a GA review type of comment, but I always try to find something that could improve the article when reviewing for DYK, even though it isn't required per DYK-rules, and this was a decent article so it was hard to find something to put my finger on :P. I've struck my proposed hook, as the article about the brother isn't going to be expanded for a while. The other minor issues have been resolved, and both hooks are good to go. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:04, 17 March 2013 (UTC)