Template:Did you know nominations/Group theatre of Kolkata
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Harrias talk 09:53, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Group theatre of Kolkata[edit]
- ... that the Group theatre of Kolkata is a theatre tradition that arose contrasting with the commercial theatre in the 1940s?
- Reviewed: Menticirrhus americanus
Created by Dwaipayanc (talk). Self nom at 17:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- A contributor has raised a concern at WT:DYK regarding this nomination, which I've copied below. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- "I see two significant problems with the nomination of Template:Did you know nominations/Group theatre of Kolkata. The first is that the article has an entire section that is not only unreferenced, against DYK guidelines, but that "Prominent theatre personalities" section even has an "Unreferenced section" template on it. The second is that the hook has a phrase that is incomprehensible in context: "that arose contrasting with". It's effectively meaningless without explaining what the contrast is based on: is it the size of the stage, the color of the buildings, the number of actors in a show? At best, a reader can conclude that there's something different about Group theatre, but that's far from being an effective hook. I would probably try to avoid the blah word "contrast" with something more catchy and clear.
- I think this hook should be withdrawn until it can be fixed, and before this set gets pushed into a queue. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)"
Alt 1 ... that in contrast to commercial theatre, group theatre of Kolkata evolved in 1940s by non-professionals with an intention to spread social messages? (adding author info from history): Dwaipayanc 03:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- May I suggest the following ALT2: ... that group theatre of Kolkata was created in the 1940s as an alternative to commercial theatre in order to highlight social messages through plays showing the plight of the people of Bengal?
- I wasn't sure whether "local people" or a similar phrase would be more appropriate than "people of Bengal" (or even the more specific "people of Kolkata"); I think this hook accurately reflects the article. It's already 188 characters, but if "productions" is better than "plays", that substitution could also probably be made. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Oops, hang on - some plagiarism here. Compare "Initially, the idea of group theatre was perhaps to break away from the star system of yesteryears when actors like Sisir Bhaduri, Ahindra Chowdhury and others had been considered the main draw for the audience. With the new group theatre movement, the emphasis was supposedly on the group" in the article with "Initially, the idea was perhaps to break away from the star system of yesteryears when actors like Sisir Bhaduri, Ahindra Chowdhury and others had been considered the main draw for the audience. Now the emphasis was supposedly on the group" in the source. There are several other instances of very close phrasing from that source, haven't checked others. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:15, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Some portions of the article has been re-written, with the intention to avoid very close para-phrasing from the source. However, caution has been taken not to sound like original research. How does it look now?--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- Much better, though perhaps still a bit close to this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:48, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I made a small edit, but I am not seeing much in the way of direct duplication (outside of quotes, using eyes and this tool). ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 20:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
