Template:Did you know nominations/Grover Cleveland presidential campaign, 1884

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Grover Cleveland presidential campaign, 1884[edit]

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... that the phrase "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion" helped Grover Cleveland win the 1884 U.S. Presidential election? (source: http://elections.harpweek.com/1884/Overview-1884-4.htm )

Created by Futurist110 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:41, 17 September 2017 (UTC).

I have now reviewed this DYK? nomination: Template:Did You Know nominations/Yttralox. Futurist110 (talk) 00:49, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Will review this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Interesting facts around the campaign, on few but good sources, no copyvio obvious. Why are four sources the same, but not combined? - According to the source for the hook, only reverend said the "Rum, ..."-thing, please clarify that in the article, - he should not be in brackets. Please - not required but desired - write a bit more lead, and read the article once more for longish sentences that might be better broken up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

First of all, the four sources are not combined because that article has four pages; basically, I cited each page separately in order to make it clear where each piece of information was coming from. Also, I have now added additional sources to this article and also wrote a bit more for the lead. In addition to this, here is an alternate hook for this article:

ALT1: ~~... that James G. Blaine attributed his opponent Grover Cleveland's victory in the 1884 election to bad weather and the phrase "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion"?~~ (source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/gaffe-at-gop-dinner-upends-presidential-election-oct-29-1884-215146 ) Futurist110 (talk) 23:56, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for action! - The ALT hook is cute but goes a little far in terms of piping, - readers would not expect an article about the campaign, but the phrase ;) - To cite different pages, there are better ways, such as Harvard references. Perhaps look around what others do. - I am happy with the expanded lead, and the phrasing of the questioned paragraph. I am not happy with the prominent image of a candidate who failed (and then left, while he looks left), and suggest to remove it, to keep first attention focused. The image of the Rum... speaker needs to go where it doesn't interfer with the section header, nor sandwich the text, - so possibly the best way is again to remove. - Just ping me here when the next step is taken, I'm watching. - How do you feel about an infobox? --?

ALT2: ~~... that allegations that he fathered an illegitimate child threatened to derail Grover Cleveland's 1884 presidential campaign?~~

I have posted an alternate hook right above. I also got rid of the two photos that you complained about and added an infobox. In addition to this, I am glad that you are happy with the expanded lead in my article. As for citing each page of an article separately, I really don't know how to do it better; after all, that is how I did it in the articles for both Grover Cleveland's 1888 campaign and Grover Cleveland's 1892 campaign. Indeed, how exactly do you do Harvard references? Futurist110 (talk) 17:57, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I like what you did. - The easiest way to do something about the four citations of the same ref would be to add the page number to each template. I learned harv referencing from copying from Kafka, - a short one to look at (not so many refs) is Quatre Motets sur des thèmes grégoriens. - I like the original hook better, - no need to propagate a candidates sexuality in politics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

In future cases, I'll see what I can do in regards to citing different pages; however, I honestly don't think that it's that much of an issue.

Also, thank you very much for approving this DYK? nomination of mine! Futurist110 (talk) 01:19, 21 September 2017 (UTC)