Template:Did you know nominations/Kusarigama
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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Kusarigama
Two kusarigamas
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that a kusarigama (two pictured) is a traditional Japanese weapon that was used by samurai women?
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- Comment: DYKcheck states that the article hasn't been expanded 5x, but the tool is basing it off of a 2005 version.
5x expanded by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC).
- This is a really interesting topic, and the article looks decent. I am happy that the expansion meets the rules as written. (They are, if anything, ambiguous, but the spirit of the rules is met here, and I think we should be more willing to bend the rules for such an interesting topic). I think the hook (and the source used for it) could be a bit better. I wonder if there might be an interesting hook in the speculation on the weapon's origin, or the fact it is useful against an opponent with a sword, or even just what it is? How about something like "...that a kusarigama is a traditional Japanese weapon consisting of a sickle (kama) on a weighted chain (kusari-fundo)?" Josh Milburn (talk) 11:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- J Milburn I think that Black Belt is an acceptable source for the hook and I did try to find another one, but I had no luck. I am fine with removing the sentence if you disagree. I'm not really a fan of a hook that only states what it is, but I do have some alts. I did fix a typo that said it wasn't useful against anything other than a sword to that it was less useful against other weapons. Thanks for the review.
- ALT1 ... that the sickle (kama), which was later part of the traditional Japanese weapon kusarigama (two pictured), may have been used for agriculture and as a weapon?
- ALT2 ... that the traditional Japanese weapon kusarigama (two pictured) was useful against a sword, but it was not as useful against a spear, a naginata, or a bō? SL93 (talk) 16:06, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Point taken about Black Belt; the way you'd formatted the source meant I wasn't as clear on what was being cited as I might be. I like both of the alts, especially the latter. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- I've tweaked the citation; I see you cite a few other articles in Black Belt. It may be worth updating them; your citations aren't very clear! Josh Milburn (talk) 16:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
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ALT2 is my favourite. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
@J Milburn: Hi, I came by to promote this, but am wondering what was wrong with ALT0? Samurai women and those ugly-looking weapons make a very hooky combination. Yoninah (talk) 23:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yoninah I have no idea. I prefer it more than the others which is why it's my original hook. SL93 (talk) 23:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if it's the source, but I thought that was resolved already and Black Belt is a reliable source for martial arts. The book Samurai Women 1184–1877 (event happened in 1649 per book) backs it up even more with the story of a woman samurai who used the weapon. SL93 (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK. Waiting to hear from Josh Milburn. Yoninah (talk) 00:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @SL93 and Yoninah: I was initially concerned about the source, but I have been set right on that. My remaining worry is that the source simply says "and a few women learned to use more obscure weapons like the kusarigama -- the sickle and chain". It's not the case that this was a "woman's weapon" or part of the women's training regime or anything. I am not saying that the hook is untrue -- it's supported by the source -- I just think that the alternative hooks get at the core of the topic a little better. (I don't think it was me who crossed out the original hook.) Josh Milburn (talk) 14:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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- If everyone prefers the original hook, there's no objection from me -- as far as I'm concerned, I've approved all the hooks. Josh Milburn (talk) 14:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
