Template:Did you know nominations/Lifeboat Memorial, Southport, Monumental Obelisk, Southport, Lifeboat Monument, St Annes, Lifeboat Memorial, Lytham

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The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 10:02, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

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Lifeboat Memorial, Southport, Monumental Obelisk, Southport, Lifeboat Monument, St Annes, Lifeboat Memorial, Lytham[edit]

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Lifeboat Memorial, Southport

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 19:43, 8 February 2014 (UTC).

  • Sorry, Peter, but there are obvious problems here with the DYK rules, since the four articles are basically copies, having most of their content in common. That means, if I'm not mistaken, that one article can have the full count, so to speak, but the others must have the copied content removed. If I look at Lifeboat Memorial, Lytham, and I take out all the content also found in the other articles (and I leave you the last sentence of the lead), I have some 1150 characters left. (I don't believe we can count the various inscriptions either, nor am I counting "Appraisal" and "Related monuments", since those are mostly, though not wholly, copies.) Now, if we were to take the shortest article, and count that as full, and then take the longer ones and cut out the duplicate text and see what we have left, then maybe we'll get close to 1500 for all of them but I kind of doubt that. Right now I'd rather hear what you think, or whether you have any proposals, before I start doing boring math. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the trouble you've taken over this. I guess I was taking a kind of risk in doing a multi-nom this way, although I was intrigued that one disaster (albeit so serious) should result in four separate and differing memorials, and all of them sufficiently notable to be listed. I don't have information to make enough differing text for every article. So I guess it might be best to select one and present that as a single nom (or is it too late for that?). What do you think? (Don't bother with any more maths.) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:48, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • A quadruple DYK is hard to resist, though. Let me call in an expert, Mandarax, to see if my math and my reading of the guidelines is correct. As for redoing this, it's never too late as far as I'm concerned, but I'm nothing but a peon. Let's ping Mandarax, manually, and hear what he has to say. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I followed Peter's wise advice and didn't bother with any specific math, but it's clear just from reading over the articles that Drmies is correct. If there's a chance of finding sufficient additional material on one or more of them, feel free to take the time for further expansion. Otherwise, a single nom (which can still link to the other articles) seems the best option. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Mandarax (ping! ping! in template space!), isn't Peter's BE "maths", in the plural, simply delightful? It's like being in The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, Aged 13¾! Anyway, Peter, if this is OK with you, let's switch it around, one way or another. We could redo the hook to mention Lifeboat Memorial, Southport first, and make that the bold one (it has the picture). We could ask Mandarax to restate the hook--he's a great reader of Vonnegut and thus a wonderful appreciator of prose, plus if he reorganized the hook (and not me) we wouldn't need another reviewer to approve it. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, we'll go with a single nom (a pity). How about just removing the emboldening from the last three to make it:
  • Yes, over here we still call it mathematics (in the plural). So where did your plural go!!? And why? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Long enough, new enough, well-written enough (certainly, with kudos for a difficult paraphrasing job), lack of copyvio enough, etc. The Pastscape reference has a really wonderful and touching narrative, proving that a sentimental style is not required to provoke sentiment. Note that I looked at all the articles but scrutinized ("informal review") only Lifeboat Memorial, Southport, since that's now the only bold one.

    Peter, make sure you save the other three DYK noms you reviewed in your little DYK piggy bank. And to answer your question, the correct word, in the original language of the world, is wiskunde, singular only since times immemorial. Drmies (talk) 05:28, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

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