Template:Did you know nominations/List of U.S. counties with longest life expectancy

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:20, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

List of U.S. counties with longest life expectancy[edit]

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~~... that life expectancy in the U.S. is 15 years longer for the richest 1% of men than for the poorest 1% of men...?~~ Source:"A growing health disparity: Life expectancy for richest, poorest Americans," https://wire.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/growing-health-disparity-life-expectancy-richest-poorest-americans
- ALT1: ... that people living in three adjacent Colorado Rocky Mountain counties have the longest life expectancies in the U.S.?

Created by Smallchief (talk). Self-nominated at 12:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC).

I think, in addition to properly formatting the hook, you find one that relates to this list being about counties? Daniel Case (talk) 04:13, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I think that the explanation as to how to format the hook could be written in a language that resembles English. But never mind, I won't bother with this again.Smallchief (talk 04:21, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Smallchief, I've proposed a new hook because there's no real way to fit the article link into the original hook: it was about rich vs. poor rather than county vs. county. I've based ALT1 on what was an incomplete single-sentence paragraph; it will need to be sourced in the article, as will each paragraph above the table. I took a look at the individual county articles, and both do appear to be in the Rockies—more, the Continental Divide trail goes through them all. However, an updated hook cannot specify the Continental Divide without sourcing making that connection explicit, perhaps in an expansion of that particular sentence/paragraph, and the facts that they're in the Rockies and adjacent will need sourcing. (The three individual county articles each have a section, basically the same for each, about being one of the top three in longevity.) Since DYK has a rule requiring that articles not use bare URLs, you will need to flesh out some of the references. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:02, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate your interest in this article and the DYK. Inequality in the United States is an important topic. My sources for the info concerning the three counties in Colorado where people have the longest life expectancy are the following:

"Summit County has the highest life expectancy in the nation, according to new study," Summit Daily, May 8, 2017, http://www.summitdaily.com/news/summit-county-has-the-highest-life-expectancy-in-the-nation-according-to-new-study/

I recognize that this article published in a local newspaper might not be considered a reliable source. However, the study it cites and a map of life expectancy by county derives from the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). The map has been featured on many websites and in many publications. The most usable version of the map is located at:

"Life Expectancy at birth, both sexes, 2014" Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, https://vizhub.healthdata.org/subnational/usa, accessed 16 August 2017

If, on the webpage under dataset, you navigate to the map of "Life Expectancy" you can detect the three Colorado counties in the dark blue color. Clicking on each county gives you the data on life expectancy for that county.

I'll edit the wikipedia article to clarify that those are the two sources for the information regarding the three Colorado counties.

I've also done an article on the counties with the shortest life expectancy. That might also be a candidate for some form of highlighting. Smallchief (talk 13:56, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:38, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

This nomination is crying out for a fantastic hook. Here's an idea:
ALT2: ~~... that people in the Rocky Mountains live the longest?~~ Yoninah (talk) 11:02, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

That's almost true. How about : ~~...that people in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado live longer than anywhere else in the United States?~~ Smallchief (talk 13:51, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

That's also almost true. But without at least qualifying it with "some counties" or the like, it will never pass muster. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

ALT3: ~~"... that people in the Rocky Mountains grow old?~~ --Usernameunique (talk) 22:53, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Not an improvement, I'm afraid. People grow old everywhere. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:01, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

ALT4: ~~... that people in the Rocky Mountains are the longest living Americans?~~
It takes "Americans" to mean "residents of the United States," but is certainly less wordy. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Usernameunique, this is only true for three (adjacent) counties in the Rocky Mountains. The claims of ALTs 2 through 4 (and the unnumbered one after ALT2) do not hold up for the Rocky Mountains as a whole, which was my original point, and one that needs to be addressed in any hook. I've struck those hooks. (Also pinging Yoninah and Smallchief, in case they'd also like to try again.) BlueMoonset (talk) 18:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

ALT5: ... that people in three counties in Colorado live longer than anywhere else in the United States? Smallchief (talk 18:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
ALT5a: ... that people in three counties in Colorado live longer than anyone else in the United States? Yoninah (talk) 23:31, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
ALT6: ... that the longest living Americans live in the Rocky Mountains? --Usernameunique (talk) 04:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Full review of article still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

This list is long enough and nominated soon enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. I am approving ALT1, which is factually correct and is the best hook in my opinion. (There are still bare URLs in the article but I am just about to reformat them.) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:44, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I came to promote this, but note that one paragraph lacks a citation, per WP:DYKSG#D2. Also, I found a better hook, but we'll need a citation for it (the figures don't appear in footnote 5):
ALT7: ... that residents of Oglala Lakota County, South Dakota, have an average life expectancy that is 20 years less than residents of Summit County, Colorado? Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I deleted the unreferenced paragraph. [[User:Smallchief|Smallchief]] ([[User talk:Smallchief|talk]] (talk) 05:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I also added another reference to give statistics on footnote 5.[[User:Smallchief|Smallchief]] ([[User talk:Smallchief|talk]] (talk) 05:53, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Yoninah, do the edits provide what you were looking for? (The sentence about Oglala Lakota County will need to have a source citation at the end of it per DYK rules if ALT7 is to be used; Summit County should be covered by the table's sourcing.) If not, the table in the shortest life expectancy article may have the sourcing ALT7 needs. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:58, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Re-approving ALT1 now that the citation issue is dealt with. I'm not a fan of ALT7, which really just says that wealthier people live longer than poorer people. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:01, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Usernameunique, it's probably the best and most long-running suggestion. And thanks for adding the cite. Since I had nothing to do with the ALT1 hook, I'll go ahead and promote it. Yoninah (talk) 22:20, 9 September 2017 (UTC)