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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:34, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro[edit]

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Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro
  • ...that the monk Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro (pictured) played a significant role in developing Thai Buddhism in the early twentieth century? Source: "In this chapter I have argued that Sot is an extremely significant figure in Thai Buddhism, beyond his influence upon Wat Dhammakaya." (Newell 2008)
    • ALT1:...that followers of the monk Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro (pictured) hold that he discovered the original meditation method the Buddha used to attain enlightenment? Source: "There is within the Wat Phra Dhammakaya an absolutism about Dhammakaya mediation being the model of meditation practised by the Buddha. (...) The genius of Luang Phaw Sot is his 'rediscovery' of the true Dhamma (sudhamma) [sic] of Buddhism, that is, the meditative practice of the Buddha." (Mackenzie 2007); "On the fifteenth night of the tenth month in 1916, followers believe that Luang Pho Sot rediscovered the very same meditation method used by Gotama, the historical Buddha, which had somehow become lost in the 500 years after Gotama’s death." (Newell 2008)
    • ALT2:...that Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro (pictured) ordained the first Englishman in Thailand as a Buddhist monk? Source: "Randall’s involvement with various Buddhist groups, and his relatively high profile as a TV interviewee and lecturer made him the face of Buddhism in Britain in the post-war years. He was the first Englishman to be ordained in Thailand." (Newell 2008); "Purfurst’s own report claims that this was a national event, attended by an audience of 10,000—after all, Purfurst was thought to be the first Englishman to be ordained in Thailand." (Skilton 2013)
    • ALT3:...that the ordination of three British men as Thai Buddhist monks in 1956 by the abbot Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro (pictured) attracted an audience of 10,000 people? Source: "The ordination ceremony in early 1956 attracted 10,000 people to Wat Paknam." (Newell 2008); "Purfurst’s own report claims that this was a national event, attended by an audience of 10,000—after all, Purfurst was thought to be the first Englishman to be ordained in Thailand." (Skilton 2013)
    • ALT4:...Kapilavaḍḍho, the first Englishman ordained as a Buddhist monk in Thailand by Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro (pictured), is believed to have set up the first Theravāda monastic community in Britain? Source: "In a book dedicated to him, Terry Shine describes Randall as the 'man who started and developed the founding of the first English Theravāda Sangha in the Western world.'" (Newell 2008); "Back in England, Kapilavaḍḍho had participated in the formal creation of the English Sangha Trust on the strength of having a quorate bhikkhu-saṅgha in the Wat Paknam nikāya (lineage)." (Skilton 2013)
  • Reviewed: this is my first DYK nomination, want to learn first before reviewing others
  • Comment:

Improved to Good Article status by Farang Rak Tham (talk) and Wikiman5676 (talk). Nominated by Farang Rak Tham (talk) at 17:33, 7 June 2017 (UTC).

  • GA promotion confirmed, article is long enough and, being a GA, I trust that the content is within policy. Regarding the hooks, only ALT1 and ALT4 currently pass. The others are factually confirmed, but they still need end-of-sentence inline citations in the article text. The original hook also appears only in the lead; it should be discussed in the article body in more detail (e.g. What was the state of Thai Buddhism at the time, and how was it revived?) if it is to be used. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Nice to meet you again, Paul 012. I have now added in-line citations to all the hooks.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I have now added a paragraph in the section on Introducing Buddhism in the world, summarizing the impact Luang Pu Sodh had.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 00:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The image doesn't have correct authorship and copyright status. It's listed on Commons as own work but this is clearly not true, as it's a reproduction of an old photo. It might be free for other reasons, so I won't nominate it for deletion, but the info needs to be corrected if it's to appear on the main page. (I've also adjusted the caption—DYK image captions should be as compact as possible, and needn't be linked.) --Paul_012 (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting the caption. As for the properties of the picture, I would need some advice on this: the picture was probably taken in the 1950s, and I suppose the copyright has now lapsed. Ownership might be difficult to establish, as the picture is widespread and iconical in Thailand, and many years have passed. Can we mark the picture as having unknown authorship, or lapsed copyright?--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 00:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
The article Copyright law of Thailand cites two sources stating that Thai copyright only holds for fifty years. Since Luang Pu Sodh died in 1959, the picture therefore is no longer protected by Thai copyright. I am editing the properties now, if I have made any mistake, please correct.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 00:32, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Personally I prefer ALT3, but the article needs to mention that Peter Morgan and Robert Albison was also British. The wording could probably also be a bit more concise. (Did Luang Pu Sodh perform the ordination? If so we can leave out "led by the abbot" and just say ...by Luang Pu Sodh...") --Paul_012 (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I have adjusted the wording and added in the article that they were British.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Also, you don't need to include the entire bibliography-formatted reference when nominating for DYK; just a direct link (shortened by enclosing in square brackets) suffices. It's not even necessary—reviewers are supposed to check for the full reference in the article anyway—but it's recommended as a convenience especially for offline paywalled sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. Fixed.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
      • Good work. ALTs1–4 are now verified; Original hook still needs adjustment as the word "revived" doesn't appear in the article. Allow me to also suggest the following condensed Alts: --Paul_012 (talk) 05:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Good idea, but in ALT4.1 you might have to add that he was an Englishman, which makes the fact a lot more interesting, since not so many Buddhist monks were westerners at the time. May i suggest: ALT4.1: ...that Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro (pictured) ordained the British monk who set up the first Theravada monastic community in Britain?

Also, I have rephrased the original hook. See above.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 09:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Okay, all hooks now good to go. (No more work required on your part; the hook will be chosen by the closer who moves this to the DYK queue.) --Paul_012 (talk) 04:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, Paul_012.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 06:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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