Template:Did you know nominations/Lulua Mosque

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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 02:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC).

Lulua Mosque[edit]

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... that the Lulua Mosque (pictured) in Cairo built in 1015–16 AD during the reign of the third Caliph al-Hakim, which partially collapsed in 1919, was refurbished in 1998 by the Dawoodi Bohras?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Syeda Bilgrami Imam

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 17:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC).

This article is not new enough. Neither is is expanded enough. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

We do commonly allow a little slop in the submission time. However, technically, the expansion should have been from 751 to 3755 readable prose size. It's currently 3374 B readable prose size, 381 chars or >75 words short. --Lexein (talk) 10:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the above clarification, which I was also about to make. I will add the required text shortly.--Nvvchar. 10:17, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I have now added almost 1000 ch to the article's prose with an additional reference sourced from MIT.--Nvvchar. 11:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
. Expansion is now OK, hook is supported, length ok. Hook might be more interesting with a mention (5 words?) of who the Dawoodi Bohra are - "a community of Indian Muslims"(?). Article citations could use a bit of work. Named refs are good, but aren't as useful when the page# differs at each subsequent citation. I changed that last named ref usage to a shortened style ref to indicate the exact page (129), and linked to that on Google books. Can you fix a few others? --Lexein (talk) 15:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the review and fixing the reference to the hook. I have added additional text as suggested and to keep the length to 200 ch, I am suggesting this hook for ALT1.... that the Mosque (pictured) in Cairo built in 1015–16 during third Caliph al-Hakim's reign, which partially collapsed in 1919, was restored in 1998 by the Bohras, a community of Indian Muslims?--Nvvchar. 14:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

ALT2... that the Lulua Mosque in Cairo (pictured) built in 1015–16 during Caliph al-Hakim's reign, which partially collapsed in 1919, was restored in 1998 by the Dawoodi Bohras, a community of Indian Muslims?

ALT2 is all good, length ok, ~~ready to go~~ but DAB is needed. I trimmed out "third", put back "Lulua" & "Dawoodi", and linked to Islam in India. --Lexein (talk) 17:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Needs DAB above. Is History_of_Islam#Fatimid_caliphs any help? Is this Al-Hakim_bi-Amr_Allah the right person? He was the Sixth, not the Third Caliph, so maybe there's a source conflict? --Lexein (talk) 05:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

DAB piped. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:42, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - the last problem is source conflict: Lulua Mosque and the first and ALT1 hooks say "third Caliph al-Hakim", and so does the cited source, but Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah says "sixth Caliph". How is this to be resolved? I think this is worth resolving before DYK goes out... --Lexein (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

The piped wl points to the correct bio. I've made the correction on that article, Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah article and included a RS. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:07, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

MIT says 3rd, this says 6th [1], these say no number: [2], [3]. Gotta go for now.--Lexein (talk) 04:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

The conflict between sources is still of concern to me. I have the sense that the article should acknowledge that his order (3rd or 6th) is a matter of some dispute among historians. Another reviewer should weigh in here. --Lexein (talk) 10:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Call for new reviewer to weigh in on what to do with source fact discrepancy in the article. I have struck original and ALT1 hooks, both of which specifically listed "third Caliph", which is contradicted by at least one source. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Question: Is the fact that it was possibly the third caliph of the utmost importance for it to stay in the article and in the hook? Otherwise, aside from defining what a "manzara" is, this is good to go. I'd go with a hook that links this to the Muslims in India. –H T D 05:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I have left a foot note in the article as suggested by User:Lexein. ALT 2 Hook is fine with us as it refers to Muslims of India. With regard to the meaning of the word "manzara", as provided in the article Megalithic Temples of Malta, it is an Arabic word meaning 'a place with commanding views'.--Nvvchar. 02:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

ALT3... that the Lulua Mosque in Cairo (pictured), built in 1015–16 during Caliph al-Hakim's reign, partially collapsed in 1919 and was restored in 1998 by the Dawoodi Bohras, a community of Indian Muslims?

I've added the definition to the article, and ref'd, tidied, and sourced, the source conflict note. My concerns are now addressed. Slightly reworded ALT3 good to go. --Lexein (talk) 04:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Lexien, Thank you.--Nvvchar. 07:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)