Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Hofstetter
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The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:02, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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Michael Hofstetter[edit]
- ... that when Michael Hofstetter conducted Verdi's Il trovatore with period instruments, a reviewer wrote that his phrasing and dynamics "propel the opera with real excitement"? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Erik Adolf von Willebrand
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:38, 19 June 2018 (UTC).
Doing... Flibirigit (talk) 17:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
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Overall: 
Interesting read and good suggestion for DYK. Third and fourth paragraphs in career section need a citation. Awards section needs citation. Paraphrasing is very close to this Opera Music source. Waiting for a few cititations as noted above, and for the close paraphrasing issues to be resolved/reworded. Flibirigit (talk) 17:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking, I won't have time now, and probably not tomorrow. I translated from the German Wikipedia, didn't know the opera music source. They possibly did the same. We have a similar problem with a French violinist. Again, later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I will wait for your follow-up. I also suggest comparing the second source on that list (bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Hofstetter-Michael.htm), it's a bit high at 23.7% in terms of paraphrasing too. I'm sure both will be cleared up with some work. Don't worry, if it takes a few days, I don't mind the wait. Flibirigit (talk) 21:05, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't even look at the Bach cantatas bio. We have a user who thinks they are not a reliable source, therefore I only place it in external links, unless it's for a recording. An artist has a standard bio, that get's copied and translated, - what can we do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I will wait for your follow-up. I also suggest comparing the second source on that list (bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Hofstetter-Michael.htm), it's a bit high at 23.7% in terms of paraphrasing too. I'm sure both will be cleared up with some work. Don't worry, if it takes a few days, I don't mind the wait. Flibirigit (talk) 21:05, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking, I won't have time now, and probably not tomorrow. I translated from the German Wikipedia, didn't know the opera music source. They possibly did the same. We have a similar problem with a French violinist. Again, later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I have no issues with either "Opera Music" or "Bach Cantatas" being used as cited sources. My main concern was the close paraphrasing. Flibirigit (talk) 21:55, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I understand, but try to explain that I haven't looked at both, only at the German Wikipedia. I am afraid that (de WP) probably follows the artist's bio too closely. I won't use the Bach cantata bio as source, - the discussion at the RS noticeboard was quite memorable. - Past midnight here, bedtime ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I added refs now. For paraphasing, can you be more specific? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- I have no issues with either "Opera Music" or "Bach Cantatas" being used as cited sources. My main concern was the close paraphrasing. Flibirigit (talk) 21:55, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- The references look good. As for paraphrasing, if you look at this analysis you can see that the Wikipedia article is 79.5% similar to "Opera Music", and 23.75 similar to "Bach Cantatas." A Wikipedia article should state facts in its own words and style, different from the sources. I suggest rearranging or reorganize into different words. Flibirigit (talk) 00:31, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Repeating: I translated the German, didn't look at the others, don't want to look at the others, - they simply translated from the same source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- I understand what you are trying to say, however that does not satisfy copyright requirements. A word-for-word translation is not putting something into your own words, and can still be interpreted as plagiarism, intended or not. Flibirigit (talk) 12:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- I translate the German Wikipedia, which is free to be used, no? (I did that in hundreds of articles.) The others did the same. Problem is that the Germans seem to just have copied. How am I supposed to know? More important: What now?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Please put the content into your own words. Flibirigit (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Please say which sentence. There are only so few ways to say what he studied where, for example. I am short on time the whole weekend, a friend died ... - We can shorten until after DYK, if that helps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Please put the content into your own words. Flibirigit (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- I translate the German Wikipedia, which is free to be used, no? (I did that in hundreds of articles.) The others did the same. Problem is that the Germans seem to just have copied. How am I supposed to know? More important: What now?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- I understand what you are trying to say, however that does not satisfy copyright requirements. A word-for-word translation is not putting something into your own words, and can still be interpreted as plagiarism, intended or not. Flibirigit (talk) 12:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Repeating: I translated the German, didn't look at the others, don't want to look at the others, - they simply translated from the same source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Gerda, please follow this link, it highlights exactly which sentences are too similar to known sources. There is no rush or deadline for this. Wait until next week if you need to. Flibirigit (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- How do you know that Opera Base doesn't take it from Wikipedia, instead of the other way round? Looks like that to me. - Which would mean that even if I reword, next week they could copy again. The lead is my words, different from German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'm looking into this site as a fork/mirror in more detail. Let me get back to you in a bit. Flibirigit (talk) 15:53, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- How do you know that Opera Base doesn't take it from Wikipedia, instead of the other way round? Looks like that to me. - Which would mean that even if I reword, next week they could copy again. The lead is my words, different from German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- I am satisfied that www.operamusica.com is using Wikipedia content since it is properly credited on this page at the bottom of the text. I apologize for not seeing that credit sooner, and there is no paraphrasing issue with that site.
References have been provided where required, and I am satisfied there are no paraphrasing issues as per the mirror discussion above. Flibirigit (talk) 16:25, 6 July 2018 (UTC)