Template:Did you know nominations/Salomon Klass
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 16:25, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
| DYK toolbox |
|---|
Salomon Klass
Captain Salomon Klass
... that during the Continuation War, Finnish captain Salomon Klass (pictured) told a German colonel that he was a Jew and received the Hitler salute in return?Source: Journal of Contemporary History)- ALT1: ... that when a German colonel found out that Finnish captain Salomon Klass (pictured) was Jewish, he said, "I have nothing personal against you as a Jew" and gave him the Hitler salute?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/FM Non-Duplication Rule
- Comment: This article was created at the same time as Template:Did you know nominations/Leo Skurnik and mentioned on that template. However, the chosen hook focused only on Leo Skurnik. I think this article is deserving of a DYK appearance and am therefore nominating it. Yoninah (talk) 21:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Created by Pudeo (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 21:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC).
- @Yoninah: Given that some may consider the hook claim to be extraordinary, here is a direct quote from the Journal of Contemporary History article for verification (page 83, the author quoting an interview with Klass):
Colonel Pilgrim thanked us for the work we had done. I invited him to sit down and we had coffee. We talked of this and that until he suddenly asked if I’d come from the Baltic provinces. My German reminded him of the way it was spoken there. ... I could not keep from mentioning that I was Jewish and that the language I spoke at home was Yiddish, which resembles German. It is for that reason, perhaps, that my speech differs from ordinary German. The colonel rose to his feet, took me by the hand and said: ’I have nothing personal against you as a Jew’. [Saying] ‘Heil Hitler’, he straightened out his arm and walked out of the tent.
--Pudeo (talk) 21:55, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
@Pudeo: thank you. I added an alt to more closely follow the source. Ready for review. Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Created on 18 August, not nom until 31st, which is outside the 7 day window. Perhaps an exception can be given, based on Yoninah's observations above? 3697 char, long enough; cited, neutral, no apparent copyvios. QPQ done. Correct link for quote is here the one above does not work, however, AGF quote, as source is locked. Hook is 175 char, under maximum, and interesting. Cited in the article. On the photograph, how do we know its date? The source link does not give one, or maybe I missed it? According to Finnish copyright law of 1961, copyright extended to 25 years after creation or publication, but it needs a copyright validation for the US which goes off of publication date. If it is in the PD in Finland, perhaps URAA applies, but you would need to verify that it was first published abroad and not republished in the US in 30 days; it was first published before 1978 without complying with U.S. copyright formalities or after 1978 without copyright notice and it was in the public domain in its home country on 1 January 1996. SusunW (talk) 17:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
- SusunW, since Salomon Klass was originally included in the Leo Skurnik nomination as of August 18, and when a Skurnik-only hook was promoted on August 31, the natural thing to do in that situation is to either continue Klass in the original nomination, which holds the template open longer, or split it off into its own nomination; Yoninah opted for the latter course. Under these circumstances, this is considered a continuation of the original nomination, and since the article was originally nominated on the day it was created, it qualifies for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:11, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Given that some may consider the hook claim to be extraordinary, here is a direct quote from the Journal of Contemporary History article for verification (page 83, the author quoting an interview with Klass):
It is public domain in Finland for 100 % certainty per commons:PD-Finland50 that allows PD for images published up to 1966. Sadly, the exact year wasn't mentioned in the Telegraph article or other sources. There is a slightly less-cropped version elsewhere (WW2incolor), which shows the band for the 4th class Cross of Freedom with swords, so it wasn't wasn't taken before the Winter War (1939). Most of these official military photographies were taken during the "Interim Peace" in 1940, but it's also possible it was taken later 1940-1944, but not later than that. I don't think there's any reason to believe it was published in the United States, but I don't know how to verify that. --Pudeo (talk) 07:35, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: I read the Commons documention for Template:Information, and it is acceptable, atleast in Commons, to have a slightly less precise date as long as the copyright status is right. I updated the Commons file description with their {{other date}} template to state the date is "between 1940 and 1944". --Pudeo (talk) 07:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Pudeo and Yoninah: a search of copyright.gov for "Salomon Klass" using it as a title, keyword, and name returns no results, so there is no US copyrighted material by or about him. I think you could add your rationale for the dating and the copyright.gov information with the URAA tag. Even if it was published in 1944, it went into the PD in 1969, well before the 1996 date, since subsequent Finnish laws were not retroactive restorations. Ping me when you have added a US template and I'll clear it. SusunW (talk) 14:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
