Template:Did you know nominations/The Deer's Cry (Pärt)

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

The Deer's Cry (Pärt)[edit]

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Arvo Pärt in 2008

... ~~that in the motet The Deer's Cry, Arvo Pärt (pictured) set the conclusion ("Christ with me") of Saint Patrick's Breastplate on a commission from Ireland?~~ Source: several

Reviewed: Hu Peiquan
Comment: best on St. Patrick's Day, 17 March

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:33, 28 February 2019 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: valereee (talk) 13:42, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Question Gerda Arendt the hook sounds a bit like the piece was commissioned by Ireland the country? Also I assume "set" is a commonly-understood term for composing music? valereee (talk) 13:54, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

"from Ireland" is short for "from an Irish organisation", - we could say instead "from Louth in Ireland". "set" is short for "set words to music", and in a hook, we try to be short, music is implied by "motet", and "motet" from the French "mot"=word) also implies text. A composer sets a poem, the Requiem text, his own words, etc. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, would commission in Ireland work? Thanks re: the set explanation -- I knew it was used often as words being "set to" certain music but just wanted to make sure that the hook would be clear to English-speaking musicians. valereee (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

the phrase is good, but how to make sure it's not the breastplate that's commissioned in Ireland? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

yeah, that's a problem for all the wordings we've come up with, I suppose. It's a pretty complicated hook...hm... is there any way to take something out? I'm trying to parse it, and not sure I can. valereee (talk) 14:44, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Trying. We need Ireland to justify St. Patrick's Day, we need the saint and his work, we need the piece's title and the composer, we need the incipit to tell people that it's not really a cry and not the whole St. Patrick's Deer's Cry, only it's familiar end, we need the genre (+ it's nicely short and implies for choir a cappella which would be awkward to add).

ALT1: ... that Arvo Pärt (pictured) composed the motet The Deer's Cry on a commission from Louth in Ireland, setting the conclusion of Saint Patrick's Breastplate, "Christ with me"?

ALT2: ... that Arvo Pärt (pictured) composed the motet The Deer's Cry on a commission from Louth in Ireland, setting Saint Patrick's "Christ with me"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, great, I think either of those work, mild preferences for ALT1. Can you tell me which of the sources support the hook? I know you said several did, and I found supports for st patrick/christ with me, but I can't seem to find that it was commissioned by anyone, and that particular sentence in the article doesn't have its own source. valereee (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, not only did I fail to duplicate the ref, it also had the wrong url, - should have been this, and is now, and duplicated to several sentences. There's more detal in the score, so I add that as well. Will rehearse it tonight, and perform on Sunday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Good to go with ALT1 valereee (talk) 18:09, 8 March 2019 (UTC)