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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 05:48, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

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The Faggots & Their Friends Between Revolutions

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Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC). General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 14:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Article is new enough (created Oct 1) and long enough (3614 B). QPQ is done. Both hooks are cited in the article; IMO, the original hook is excellent and much more interesting than ALT1. The Earwig percentage is somewhat high but it's just picking up on the quotes & the repetition of the title - nothing concerning. There's one minor instance of close paraphrasing: "Mitchell conceived of the book in reaction to the lack of contemporary gay literature being published at the time" is a bit close to the source and it's redundant; you could shorten it to just "the lack of contemporary gay literature".
Two small issues with sourcing: The lead states "The novel is a parable for LGBT rights movements that emerged in the 1970s" - this should be cited, IMO, because it's not explicitly mentioned and cited in the body of the article. The plot summary does not need to be cited, but I think the sentence "The novel is primarily non-narrative, and is composed largely of a combination of single-page episodes, polemic writing, and aphorisms." should have a citation, because it's not just a summary of the book's plot, but an analysis of its style. This article could be used as a source.
Overall a very interesting article and I'll be glad to approve it after these minor issues are dealt with. :)
Thank you for your review. I've made these edits with the exception of your note about the novel being a parable; I'll review the introduction from the 2019 edition later today to see if it makes explicit reference to the novel being a parable, but failing that, I can substitute something like "depicts" or "draws from" that can be substantiated by one of the online sources. Morgan695 (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. :) There's just one more thing... I don't see a citation that describes it as a fantasy novel. Is that also from the book introduction? If so, it might be helpful to cite the book for verification. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 15:32, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@SpicyMilkBoy: The genre has been cited, and the intro paragraph has been written with facts that are substantiated in offline sources. Morgan695 (talk) 21:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Approved SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 22:32, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your review. I've struck ALT1 to make clear that ALT0 is the preferred hook to be promoted. Thanks again! Morgan695 (talk) 23:10, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Morgan695 I'm sorry for bringing this up so late and after I did so much nitpicking earlier, but I was just going through the article again and I realized that the wording in the hook is very close to the source: "The slim volume was originally conceived, according to Mitchell, as a children’s book"[1] Can the hook be tweaked a little? I promise this is my last complaint :p SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 22:56, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT0a ... that the 1977 fantasy novel The Faggots & Their Friends Between Revolutions was originally written as a children's book?
@SpicyMilkBoy: via the novel's afterword by Larry Mitchell, "I thought it would be a children's book and I worked on it on and off for a couple of years." Morgan695 (talk) 23:09, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Morgan695 That source isn't used in the article, though, and isn't independent. I think adapting the phrasing that's currently in the article would be best. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:19, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT0b ... that the 1977 fantasy novel The Faggots & Their Friends Between Revolutions was originally planned to be a children's book?
Morgan695 (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT0b approved. Sorry for giving you a hard time :) SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:27, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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