Template:Did you know nominations/The Interior of the Palm House on the Pfaueninsel Near Potsdam
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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The Interior of the Palm House on the Pfaueninsel Near Potsdam
The Interior of the Palm House on the Pfaueninsel Near Potsdam
- ... that Frederick William III of Prussia bought the painting The Interior of the Palm House on the Pfaueninsel Near Potsdam (pictured) for 1000 Taler? Source: Bought by Friedrich Wilhelm III, King of Prussia from the artist in 1834 for 1000 Taler
- ALT1:
... that the odalisques (pictured) in The Interior of the Palm House on the Pfaueninsel Near Potsdam are meant to be treated as exotic objects?Source: "It is not, therefore, a surprise that the centerpiece of this painting should be a group of odalisques painted in the fashionable style of the time. Orientalism, the objectifying trope through which western artists imagined and constructed a magical, retrograde, and sensually unbridled east was the very telling manifestation of colonialist power relations." ([1], page xx)
- ALT1:
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The odalisques of The Interior of the Palm House
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/In Praise of Polytheism
- Comment: the second image is for ALT1
Moved to mainspace by Bait30 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:03, 4 October 2020 (UTC).
Interesting painting on good sources, offline source accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, and the crop shows better. In the hooks, I think we could pipe to the short common name to win space for saying more than the long title, such as the artist's name. I prefer the idea of the ALT, but am not sure that "are meant to be treated" is the best possible wording. The fact of the original hook is not yet in the article, or what did I miss? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- For ALT0, the end of the background section says that Frederick William commissioned Blechen to create the paintings at the cost of one thousand Taler. I just simplified it as "bought" for the hook.
- ALT0a:
... that Frederick William III of Prussia bought Carl Blechen's The Interior of the Palm House (pictured) for 1000 Taler? - ALT0b:
... that Frederick William III of Prussia commissioned Carl Blechen's The Interior of the Palm House (pictured) for 1000 Taler? - ALT1a:... that the odalisques (pictured) in The Interior of the Palm House were added as exotic objects, a common Orientalist trope?
- ALT0a:
- Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 18:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I like ALT1a best, thank you! Sorry for missing "thousand" - looking for 1000. I prefer to avoid the money thing in an unfamiliar currency which would need some clumsy conversion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Bait30: We need an inline cite after the sentence about them being an Orientalist trope to satisfy WP:DYK#Cited hook. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I added a reference to a book by Boer which states 'Investigating the trope of the odalisque is a way of addressing questions that centre on the problem of stereotypical representations of the Orient, often focusing on women, within the Orientalist "tradition".' Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 20:20, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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- @Bait30: I have one more question. Even next to the image, it's not clear what odalisques are. I thought they were ornaments or something. Could we add a little more detail to the hook, like:
- ALT1a: ... that the odalisques lounging
around the treein The Interior of the Palm House (detail pictured) were added as exotic objects, a common Orientalist trope? Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- I don't mind. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 21:19, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- For ALT0, the end of the background section says that Frederick William commissioned Blechen to create the paintings at the cost of one thousand Taler. I just simplified it as "bought" for the hook.
