Template:Did you know nominations/Vine Colby
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:39, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Vine Colby[edit]
Vine Colby in 1912
... that Vine Colby of The Potters was in different times the Queen Indifference, The Mad Hatter and Tristan? [1] and [2] and [3]ALT1:... that Vine Colby of The Potters won the coveted Washington University scholarship?Source: "Hard Study Wins for this Girl Coveted University Scholarship" ([4])
Created by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 16:48, 17 September 2017 (UTC).
This article doesn't look finished yet. There are also citations missing from paragraphs. I placed a notice on your talk page. Yoninah (talk) 17:33, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
revereted the changes made by mistake, changed the layout of the article to avoid confusion and all paragraphs have sources (24 of them).Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I still find the page confusing. Why are you writing biographies of her sister and aunt in the middle of her biography? It seems like you should title this page Vine Colby and write sections on all the Vine Colbys out there. Yoninah (talk) 20:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yoninah, there is a logic in the article. Vine Colby bears the name of her aunt who was a pioneer women in her field, medicine, and who herself beared the name of two other women who were friend with her mother, of which a bio has been written in recent time (2006). These are background info that are helpful to understand in which environment Vine Colby was brought up. I do not want to make an article out of those, cause there is not enough information to support an article, but they are important background information to this article. What you are expressing is an opinion and mine is an opinion as well. The info I provided are correct and had no copyright issue, therefore I kindly ask you to highlight if there are issue with the hook. Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:22, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- Elisa.rolle it's not an opinion; please read WP:OFFTOPIC. You have 2 other women being talked about, and you're putting the main subject under a sub-subhead in her own article! If you need to say how these other women influenced the subject's life, then please don't use sub-subheads; it's too confusing. Say how certain women influenced the subject's life, and please don't write a biography about each of these other women.
- Under Career, the second paragraph is completely superfluous and non-notable the way it's written; it should be removed per WP:UNDUE. I added a notability tag at the top because I really question why the subject is notable, based on the information you've provided in the article. Winning prizes and acting in high school is not notable. Writing a play is not notable. It appears she is only notable as a member of The Potters, and she's already listed in that article. Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yoninah i put that section since you told you were confused. But if you do not need them i will remove them and rewrote the section in a different wayElisa.rolle (talk) 22:30, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yoninah, there is a logic in the article. Vine Colby bears the name of her aunt who was a pioneer women in her field, medicine, and who herself beared the name of two other women who were friend with her mother, of which a bio has been written in recent time (2006). These are background info that are helpful to understand in which environment Vine Colby was brought up. I do not want to make an article out of those, cause there is not enough information to support an article, but they are important background information to this article. What you are expressing is an opinion and mine is an opinion as well. The info I provided are correct and had no copyright issue, therefore I kindly ask you to highlight if there are issue with the hook. Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:22, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I still find the page confusing. Why are you writing biographies of her sister and aunt in the middle of her biography? It seems like you should title this page Vine Colby and write sections on all the Vine Colbys out there. Yoninah (talk) 20:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
changed as per request Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Elisa.rolle: thank you for your changes. I did a little more copy editing, added links, and added an infobox. Do you know where she was born? The article would benefit from a few topic sentences. For example, I added the topic sentence While at college, Colby performed in various dramas. to start the paragraph about her performances. In the first paragraph under Artistic career, I added that she contributed her art and poetry to the Potter's Wheel; if this isn't correct, please change it. In the third paragraph under Artistic career, she's suddenly writing plays. An overall introductory topic sentence would greatly help the reader follow this whole section. Yoninah (talk) 23:03, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah:: Copied the sentence "After the Potters disbanded, she became a journalist and writer." and after that there are the comedy and poetry part. Moved up in early life the themed breakfast info to make the reading flow more in line with sections. Elisa.rolle (talk) 09:25, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Elisa.rolle: OK, thanks for your work. The article is ready to go, but the hooks fall a little flat. If you really want a catchy hook, I think you should talk about the Lovers' Breakfast and use that same language in the hook as you use in the article, that it "made the news for its originality". Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: sincerely I'm not inspired anymore in writing DYK therefore if you think there is a good hook, I'm glad if you want to write it, otherwise, from my side, I'm good withdrawing this DYK. Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:01, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- OK, here are some alts:
- ALT2: ... that a 1912 party hosted by Vine Colby (pictured) made the news for its originality?
- ALT3: ... that a 1912 party hosted by Vine Colby (pictured) featured eight young St. Louis women masquerading as celebrated sweethearts of history?
- New reviewer needed for alts. Yoninah (talk) 23:28, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Approving ALT2 and ALT3, which check out with inline citations. Preference for ALT2, which leaves a question for a reader to click over and answer. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:03, 24 September 2017 (UTC)