The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 08:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
... that British RAFFlight Lt Walter Anderson and Observer Officer John Mitchell were hit by communist AA fire but still landed, rescued two downed RAF pilots, took off again with Mitchell hanging off the wing and his fingers plugging their leaking fuel tank? Source: "Anderson, notwithstanding that his petrol tank had been pierced by a machine-gun bullet, landed alongside the wrecked aeroplane, picked up the pilot and observer, ... The difficult circumstances of the rescue will be fully appreciated when it is remembered that Observer Officer Mitchell had to mount the port plane to stop the holes in the petrol tank with his thumbs for a period of fifty minutes flying on the return journey."[1]
Overall: For both articles, this shows up as a possible violation, however, it'
s clear that this is a quote, so is excluded. I'm not sure that a quote should be this long on the other hand, but won't count it against the length of either article. epicgenius (talk) 00:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
The hook is 20 characters too long per Rule C3. Yoninah (talk) 01:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT1... that Flight Lt Walter Anderson and Observer Officer John Mitchell were hit by communist AA fire but landed, rescued two pilots, took off again with Mitchell hanging off the wing and his fingers plugging their leaking tank?
ALT1a: ... that Flight Lt Walter Anderson and Observer Officer John Mitchell were hit by communist AA fire but landed, rescued two pilots, and took off again with Mitchell hanging off the wing and his fingers plugging their leaking tank?
But what is "AA fire"? I think you should spell it out and delete "communist". I understand you're trying to keep the hook short, but telling the whole story in the hook doesn't make the reader want to click on the article. Yoninah (talk) 12:06, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
You also shouldn't be bold-linking (or abbreviating) "Flight Lt" and "Observer Officer". Yoninah (talk) 12:08, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that pilot Walter Anderson and Observer officerJohn Mitchell were hit by communist anti-aircraft fire but landed, rescued two pilots, and took off again with Mitchell on the wing and his fingers plugging their leaking tank?
@Thats Just Great: Sorry, it's 209 characters. According to the rule, you deduct the second bolded link and should have less than 200 characters in the hook. Can you get rid of "communist"? BTW Observer officer is a dab page; it shouldn't be linked. Yoninah (talk) 22:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Adjusted to 196 characters and fixed the dab -- Thats Just Great (talk) 01:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that pilot Walter Anderson and Observer officerJohn Mitchell were hit by communist fire but landed, rescued two pilots, and took off again with Mitchell on the wing and his fingers plugging their leaking tank?
@Thats Just Great: Thank you. But it looks like I made you do all this work for nothing. I looked at the second article, John Mitchell (RAF officer), and see that most of the text in Walter Anderson (pilot) is duplicated here. (In addition, there's nothing about Mitchell's personal life, which makes it a less than start-class article.) According to Rule A5, New text seven days old or less can only count toward the 1500 character minimum in one article; if it is duplicated in other nominated new articles, it is ignored for the purpose of character count. Basically, you have one nomination here, unless you want to expand one of the articles by another 1500 characters. @Epicgenius: did you notice that? Yoninah (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: That's too bad. Can I just unbold the Mitchell link and adjust the hook to under 200 characters like in ALT4 -- Thats Just Great (talk) 14:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Sorry. I did notice that, but didn't realize it was against the rules to have the same brand-new text in two articles. epicgenius (talk) 16:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT4: ... that pilot Walter Anderson and observer John Mitchell were hit by communist fire but landed, rescued two pilots, and took off with Mitchell on the wing and his fingers plugging their leaking tank?
Sure! Restoring tick for ALT4 per Epicgenius' review. Yoninah (talk) 15:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
epicgenius (talk) 00:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
@Thats Just Great: Thank you. But it looks like I made you do all this work for nothing. I looked at the second article, John Mitchell (RAF officer), and see that most of the text in Walter Anderson (pilot) is duplicated here. (In addition, there's nothing about Mitchell's personal life, which makes it a less than start-class article.) According to Rule A5,