Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Zigan

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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Wang Zigan[edit]

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  • Reviewed: I will be reviewing several DYKs later
  • Comment: A class project moved to article space on 13 April

Created/expanded by NNUR06LizaZhang21081235 (talk), NNUR06EchoLiu5090607 (talk), NNUR06ZhangYuxue (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 08:38, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

  • First of all, congratulations on putting together your class project! Article is new enough and long enough. However, it reads more like a research paper than an encyclopedic entry. It is overlong on details; repetitive (see repetitive information in Early Life and Childhood sections); is written in a story-like tone rather than a neutral, encylopedic tone (for example, see the long narrative of how he and his wife "fall in love"); starts off with a Background of Papercutting introduction that is overlong and is almost unintelligible to the average reader; and seems to comprise four different articles: Wang Zigan, the history and styles of papercutting, Wang Jianzhong, and Zhao Ziping.
  • Regarding references, the article seems to rely heavily on a primary source, a book by Wang Zigan. Are the Chinese sources secondary sources? In looking through the article, I removed text that was copied verbatim from the source. Please make sure that you are not copying material, but summarizing it.
  • In addition, per Rule D2, each paragraph should have at least one citation, but most paragraphs in this article don't have any. I am unable to check the Chinese references, but I see that many are duplicates and should be formatted in a cleaner way (see WP:References).
  • Since this nomination was made by a non-involved editor, there is no need for a QPQ review of another DYK nomination. However, there is a need for condensing and rewriting the material, focusing on Wang Zigan alone – his life and work. Perhaps you could use the extra material for a new article on Shanghai-style papercutting? Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Many of the references are from the same book, but have different page numbers. I could repeat the ref for the other paragraphs in the same section that are cited by the final ref. Though you suggest removing and rewriting I will not do this part. However I have removed the Shanghai papercutting section to another article as suggested. This has the unreadable text. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Moving unintelligible text to a new article will do nothing but spur a speedy deletion notice. Yoninah (talk) 09:10, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
  • The idea is to remove it from this one, but now the paragraphs all have a ref tag. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Wang Zigan is a typical representative of Shanghai-style paper cutting, that's why I mentioned the background. I think its useful. Maybe too much, overmentioned? It shouldn't be deleted, I think. Shanghai-style paper cutting is almost Wang Zigan's style, there is strong connection.
  • It is specifically Wang Zigan's paper cut style that I have written. It's not a general style.
  • "Wang Jianzhong and Zhao Ziping" belongs to the part "development of Wang Zigan's paper cut"
  • All I have written is connected to Wang Zigan, it's not separated.
  • I've tried hard to find more resources, but till now there's no more new finding. I find the articles about Wang Zigan's life are almost the same, and are all written by his son Wang Jianzhong. The only difference is that they appear in different places. I have added one more source, which is almost the same as in the book. I think the book (the articles about Wang Zigan's life inside are also written by his chldren) is a rewritten of the previous published articles .NNUR06LizaZhang21081235 (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
  • There is nothing wrong with a one-paragraph background on Shanghai-style papercutting. But that paragraph and the rest of the article is overlong, rambling, repetitive, and chatty rather than encyclopedic. It needs a good pair of eyes to weed out the extraneous details and tighten up the writing to meet Wikipedia standards. Perhaps you could put in a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests? Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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