Template:Did you know nominations/Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan, BWV 99

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 21:30, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan, BWV 99[edit]

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... that the opening chorus of Bach's cantata Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan, BWV 99, "would still work perfectly well if the vocal parts were entirely removed"?

Reviewed: Andrea Salvadori
Comment: Bach cantata for Trinity 15, 2 October 2011, to appear between 1 October and 7 October

Created/expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 16:41, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Length and date okay, plagiarism check from the main online source turns up nothing but the quote (other main source is offline). Article is neutral and well-referenced. The hook claim is potentially interesting but could be better explained: I have two small complaints about the hook wording: First, a quote without any attribution looks strange to me--should the author Mincham not somehow be included in the hook? Second, if I understand that right, is it not the musical movement of the chorus that would work perfectly well, not the chorus itself? --Pgallert (talk) 12:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

"Opening chorus" (Eingangschor) is a term for the movement, not the singing group. - We had quotations without mentioning an author, and Dürr said a similar thing in other (German) words, but if there is room, an author might be mentioned (ALT1), or it could be said (but less spectacular) rephrased (ALT2):

ALT1:... that according to Julian Mincham, the opening chorus of Bach's cantata Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan, BWV 99, "would still work perfectly well if the vocal parts were entirely removed"?

ALT2:... that the opening chorus of Bach's cantata Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan, BWV 99, would be a good concerto even without the vocal parts? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Aha, I almost expected that I did not understand everything :-/ Regarding the wording, I was thinking more along the lines of rewording Mincham's statement, maybe like:

ALT3... that the opening chorus of Bach's cantata Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan, BWV 99 would have the same musical effect without any vocal parts? (Feel free to reword this if it does not make sense) --Pgallert (talk) 13:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, "same musical effect" is not in the source and can't be, the words missing and the music of the voices. Mincham says that the instrumental music is good music by itself, a concerto, - wording in English is not what I do best. Your turn, smile, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

for ALT1 it is, then. That's how it is worded in the source, and that's apparently the only ALT that does not overextend my understanding of the subject. --Pgallert (talk) 06:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

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