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Icelandic Phallological Museum[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know, unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk)

Non-human penises at the Iceland Phallological Museum

  • ... that the Icelandic Phallological Museum displays the world's largest public collection of penises (pictured) and recently acquired its first human specimen?

Created/expanded by Prioryman (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Some of the phrasing is very close or identical to the sources, even when not quoted. Yomanganitalk 17:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also the picture made me laugh: "the world's largest public collection of penises (pictured)"; all five of them. Yomanganitalk 17:06, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think "pictured" is meant to be attached to "penises", which are pictured, not to "the world's largest collection." I did not see the overlap between sources and text you describe. If you could specifiy which sources you feel are too closely paraphrased, this would help the authors to make corrections. Sharktopus talk 17:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(Yes, I know but the fact it could be read the other way made me laugh as five would probably still be the largest public collection). Here's some close paraphrasing for starters: Article: Most of the specimens have been donated by fishermen, hunters and biologists ... are displayed in jars of formaldehyde or dried and mounted on the walls Source: The specimens, most of which were donated by fishermen, hunters and biologists, are kept in glass jars of formaldehyde or dried and mounted on the wall. There are other examples, but I haven't got time to go through it line by line until later. Yomanganitalk 18:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Length: The DYK tool claims this has not had a 5x expansion in the right time period. Looking manually at the article before the recent expansion, the tool shows 1185 chars readable text; the current expansion is 6246 chars readable text, according to my arithmetic this is more than a factor of 5.
  • Vintage: See above. Major expansion started July 23. Sharktopus talk 16:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): Some concern about the subheading of BLP called WP:BDP. The history of the page shows several efforts to remove the name of the human-penis donor.[2] We should omit it. And in fact I edited the article to take it out. Sharktopus talk 16:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutrality: Sharktopus talk 16:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: No apparent major overlap with the sources I checked. Sharktopus talk 17:19, 29 July 2011 (UTC) Update: But see above different viewpoint from User:Yomangani. Sharktopus talk 17:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Copyvio: No apparent major overlap with the sources I checked. Sharktopus talk 17:19, 29 July 2011 (UTC) Update: But see above different viewpoint from User:Yomangani. Sharktopus talk 17:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments/discussion: Not sure if it's ideal to include "recently" in the hook. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC) Suggesting alt hooks for others' consideration, but this is gtg with any of these:[reply]

  • I had marked this gtg but apparently User:Yomangani sees some objectionable overlap in phrasing. Please fix this and then ping somebody for a re-vetting. Sharktopus talk 17:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding the name of the donor, it's no secret; there are dozens of news stories from all over the world that name the person.[3] There's no indication in any of those stories that the identity of the donor is in any way sensitive, and the director of the museum seems to have no reticence in discussing the matter (see e.g. [4], English translation [5]. I see from the history that there was an attempt from a newly registered user to redact the name [6] but there's no indication that this person represents the museum or has any connection to it. Prioryman (talk) 17:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your point of view, but I think we should stay on the safe side Wikipedia policy on WP:BDP. Sorry about the change in approval, but if there is a claim of copyvio by a different editor (I did not detect it) I think you need to clear it up before we take this to the front page. An enjoyable article that will get a lot of hits, thanks for your work on this! Sharktopus talk 17:33, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See also User_talk:Yomangani#Thanks_for_your_comment_at_a_review_but_.... Sharktopus talk 18:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Copyvio sounds a bit harsh...it's just a failure to move the writing far enough away from the source in certain places; not a hanging offence despite what many would have you believe. Yomanganitalk 18:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't mean to over-characterize what you said, it wasn't clear to me how much of a problem you saw. Anyway, thanks for taking another look at this. I can see that you are a more skilled proofreader than I am just from reading your talk page. Sharktopus talk 18:34, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank you. I've reworded some sections to move the writing away from the source wherever possible (though as you'll appreciate there's a tension between doing that and remaining faithful to the original meaning). Prioryman (talk) 20:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've cleared up the remaining few (without being too picky where the phrasing is obviously the natural choice). I'd go with ALT3, personally. Yomanganitalk 23:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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