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The documentation says that this is for the number of doors, but that is stated separately in the body style. In practice, the parameter seems to be used for unconventional door mounts, see Bricklin SV-1DMC DeloreanMercedes-Benz 300 SL. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 23:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the parameter should remain just number of doors rather than type of doors. It is rare that door types such as scissors, gullwing, pocket, suicide doors, etc. are used. That information would be better in the body of the article rather than the infobox. Bahooka (talk) 23:10, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that's my fault. A few years ago I started doing that, but looking back i'm not very happy with the result and have been thinking of just undoing all those edits. If anyone sees a reason for those to stay feel free to reply, but otherwise i'm just gonna go ahead and remove them all. In reality there isn't much use for the doors parameter at all and it should just remain out of use. TKOIII (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The doors parameter information is still the same, i.e., number of doors rather than type of door. Number of doors is redundant because it is already included under body style, and I think many editors are using the parameter for door type (for example, McLaren Artura. At this point I don't have a preference of removing the doors parameter or changing the parameter to read type of door rather than number, but something needs to change so we're consistent and not redundant. Bahooka (talk) 15:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have wanted to add a parameter (death toll), but failed to. I do not understand the way it is done. I have tried it through both the graphical and textual editor.
Can anyone tell more about the way it is done so?Kamil Hasenfeller (talk) 11:18, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is no such parameter. Please explain what articles it would be used in, and why it belongs in the infobox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is an experiment with editing. I know there is not a such parameter. Kamil Hasenfeller (talk) 17:29, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This strikes me as a particularly poor choice for an infobox parameter. In as much as per-vehicle statistical data is available at all, it is too liable to invalid comparisons and misinterpretation to be useful. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The best way to avoid misinterpretation, could be to delete Wikipedia all together. But we will not do that. Will we? Kamil Hasenfeller (talk) 17:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is not something that can be put down as a simple figure or even a small number of simple figures. It changes per country and for each year according to many other factors that are not directly connected to the vehicle itself (driving style, legal age for drinking alcohol, the condition roads are kept in, weather, the number of cows on the roads, etc, etc, etc). Some countries have stats per vehicle model but most will not. It becomes a meaningless number if some articles have that number derived from 20 countries while other articles have that number from only one (ie it might imply that one model is safer than another but really just means we found more stats for one of them). Stepho talk 22:07, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Compare cars on american roads, to other cars circulating on american roads. Those factors still are not enough, to hide that many models, and car categories are much more dangerous. T
A vehicule J that is more dangerous in US than a vehicule D. Will likely be more dangerous than the vehicule J as well in UK. Kamil Hasenfeller (talk) 13:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We don't base article content on what a contributor thinks is 'more likely'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What if we had one car that sold 100,000 in the US and had 500 fatalities (ie 0.5%). And another car sold 100 and had 50 fatalities (ie 50%). The typical reader sees 500 fatalities vs 50 and wrongly assumes the first is the more deadly car. But it gets more complicated. What years do we count deaths? Do we count deaths only during the years that it was sold or do we also count deaths from when it was a completely worn out 30 year old car? How do we compare numbers for cars that are 1 year old with cars that are 30 years old? Now add in cars that are sold internationally - eg Camry vs Mustang. Do you have comparable numbers from every country? Do Europeans drive better/worse than Americans? Does snow driving in the US compare to driving in Australia (which is mostly Californian style warm weather) ? How does driving a vehicle in the US compare to the same vehicle in India (which has a shocking number of fatalities) ? Your idea is nice but cannot be represent by a single, simplistic number. Instead, you can put it in the text or as a table and put in the caveats. Stepho talk 22:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nicely stated. Kamil Hasenfeller, the first step, if you want to pursue this task (which seems to be a bad idea, but I could be wrong), is to add this information to an example article about a model of vehicle, with citations to reliable sources. You are welcome to link to that article from here. If that addition is accepted by the editors who watch that article, similar information could be added to other articles. We are long way from a concise version of a statement about "death toll" being added to the infobox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:55, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
YES, I want to learn how to edit templates. That's just it. It could be about anything, cars or or carrot peeler models. Would you like to help? Kamil Hasenfeller (talk) 16:55, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Toyota Camry is dangerous, it's not a standalone information. Weight of a vehicle, clearance and much other data is indicated. Kamil Hasenfeller (talk) 17:44, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Kamil Hasenfeller has been CU blocked. Nthep (talk) 22:09, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Last year, I proposed to add a new 'model_code' field. The proposal was met with a couple of support an without any objection. The details are in the archived discussion. Can anyone with edit access proceed with the addition? Thanks. Andra Febrian (talk) 09:55, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Code added to Template:Infobox automobile/sandbox. Perhaps you could add a demonstration to Template:Infobox automobile/testcases so other editors can review? It would be good to get this sort of data onto Wikidata eventually - let me know if you'd like help with that. Is there a wikilink we can add to "Model code" which would explain the concept? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:29, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Made up code added to Test 1 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK there's no article about a car model codes - there are only lists of model codes from certain manufacturers. Template:Infobox mobile phone has a 'codename' field (similar concept), without a link.
The testcase is okay to me. And since I'm new to this, should I gather other editors to review the change, or could it be implemented immediately? Thanks for your help. Andra Febrian (talk) 13:37, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could you add a short section to Car model that we can link to? Unless anyone objects we can implement this I think — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I missed the original discussion, but I don't see an issue with this. That said, there should be some clarity in the template documentation as to how this is to be used (i.e. only for a code used for the specific vehicle in the article, and not the platform designation or anything else that encompasses other models). --Sable232 (talk) 15:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done Deployed. Please add documentation per Sable232 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:58, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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