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'Sentence' parameter[edit]

Per the discussion above I think it would be a good idea to add a "sentence" parameter to this infobox, as it is relevant information. This parameter is used (via an infobox event) in various high profile shootings, such as:

I feel it would simplify things considerably to have it as a standard parameter, considering this is a broad parameter that applies to any case where the perpetrator survives, and it's already used but in a much more inconvenient way. Since I need consensus for this, does anyone have any thoughts? PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:00, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 10 December 2023[edit]

Adding a new parameter titled "Alleged Perpetrators" would be appropriate in the infobox. View the test edit in sandbox here. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 15:10, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: See this 2019 discussion that removed a similar parameter. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
well, Jonesey95, there is also another similar parameter titled "accused".
What I am proposing is to remove that parameter and instead insert the proposed one. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 15:57, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That |accused= parameter looks like a good idea gone wrong. It appears to have been added in mid-2016 after this discussion, from which the parameter descriptions were not added to the documentation. This failure to document has led to people's names being inappropriately listed in the |accused= parameter instead of just numbers. I have adjusted the documentation based on that discussion, but there are 200+ articles that need to be cleaned up. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
so can you confirm whether there is a consensus to not include "Allegations", "Accused", "suspects", etc. in the infobox?
Is there a past archive for this agreement? @Jonesey95
Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 17:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I linked to the two discussions that I am aware of. The talk page archive for this template is linked at the top of the page if you would like to peruse it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95
That 2019 discussion which you linked states in its closure statement:
"Consensus is that WP should not unduly promote attackers, or possibly defame those wrongfully accused. Unless a perpetrator is known with a relative level of certainty, they should not be named in the infobox. In cases where a perpetrator is suspected, but not known, they should be discussed in prose only – if at all."
So I guess this means that there is an agreement to not mention "alleged", "suspected", "accused", etc. in the infobox right? If so, then that "accused" parameter should also be removed. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 18:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There was never a consensus (that I have seen) to name accused people in the infobox. A lack of documentation after that new parameter was added meant that people added names instead of numbers. I have fixed the documentation, but about 200 articles have names instead of numbers in the value for |accused=. If you are interested in fixing those articles, follow the link in the previous sentence. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLPCRIME:

...editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.

Note "in any article". ―Mandruss ☎ 21:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit title param[edit]

Change

  • {{{title|<includeonly>{{PAGENAMEBASE}}</includeonly>}}}

into

  • {{#if:{{{title|}}}|{{{title|}}}|<includeonly>{{PAGENAMEBASE}}</includeonly>}}

Because it doesn't work and people are unnecessarily adding Page name for the |title= value. See Crocus City Hall attack as an example. Balyozxane (talk) 00:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Balyozxane what exactly doesn't work? Previewing removing the |title= param shows the title correctly. Do you mean that the parameter in VE is "required"? I've updated it so it's optional. SWinxy (talk) 19:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SWinxy When title is empty, it doesn't show the page name. That's what I meant. Balyozxane (talk) 19:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done SWinxy (talk) 20:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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