Template talk:S-roy

Colors

@ Kuatof Could you show me where SBS consens says that we need that ugly colors? Louis88 15:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see you too. We have voted to replace the bright and too vivid blue previously assigned to the s-roy header with a paler tincture. The discussion can be found in SBS's talk page, and more specifically here. Waltham, The Duke of 16:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate use

These headers should not be used for anyone who wasn't a royal of the country they state. For instance, "British royalty" appearing on the page of the Landgrave of Hesse? It should read "British positions" or something like that. A rather extensive case of overstepping what is needed. Charles 13:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Lines of succession are a special case; it has been agreed to use s-roy as a header for them, as there was no other header suitable for these and it would be superfluous to create a new header just for lines of succession. WikiProject British Royalty have also been consulted, and SBS's practice has been approved there as well. After all, only royals are in lines of succession to thrones, and there is a distinct connection between the nation concerned and the person who has this right to the throne (not to mention that all royals in Europe are ultimately relatives by blood or marriage).

This exception (lines of succession to thrones) aside, s-roy is only used for royal titles in the nations stated, and any other usage qualifies, of course, as erroneous. Waltham, The Duke of 08:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Royals are not always in line of succession to thrones. For instance, Peter Phillips is tenth in line to the British throne and is not royal or royalty. If all "royals" (not all in succession are royal) are related by blood as a means to categorize then under different nationalities, why not just has a "Royalty" header? I think it is obvious how that would not make sense. Lines of succession are not royal titles, they are positions. Also, WikiProject British Royalty's scope is articles on British royalty and should not be applied to remotely related people in succession. Also note, the Jacobite succession is not "British", it is English, Scottish (, French) and Irish. I would like to see where it was decided that this was a fitting idea because I cannot find the relevant discussion and I am a member of the WikiProject. The Landgrave of Hesse certainly is not British royalty, he is German royalty. Charles 08:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Even though not royals in the strict sense (HRH style etc.), the people in lines of succession are still of royal blood. And Peter Phillips is still the grandchild of a sovereign, and a member of the wider royal family.

Furthermore, and more importantly, "British royalty" implies not so much that one is British and a royal, as that one holds a British royal title. After all, not all royals have succession boxes—only those who have held successive titles do. Lines of succession are, as I have mentioned, a special case, but these too show that a person has a number in the queue to receiving a royal title (after all, even people in the line have royal titles apart from their place in the order of succession: the first person in the line has the title of "Heir to the Throne" de facto, which is a British royal title).

And, of course, even if these arguments still do not convince you, I have already mentioned that there is no other header that could be used or even created in order to substitute s-roy for lines of succession. "British positions" is highly unsuitable as a header title, not only because we opt for a certain degree of precision in our categorisation scheme, but also because it would be unusable elsewhere. And a "Lines of succession" header would be pretty much underused, as most people only have a single line for these in succession boxes (for a place in a single line of succession to a throne).

We could, of course, solve more particular issues if problems do present themselves with elements of this scheme, like the Jacobite example that you mention (although in this particular case "British" does cover "English", "Scottish", and "Irish" all at once).

Forgive me, but all this sounds strange to me, given that I have seen s-roy used really badly, placed in boxes right above s-reg headers in order to (redundantly) disambiguate regnal titles by nation (by a member of your project, if I remember correctly). Even if its use for lines of succession looks, in occasions, a bit counter-intuitive, there is good reason why it is there. Waltham, The Duke of 13:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for an edit

{{editprotected}} I would be grateful if an administrator could add the following wikilinks:

• [[List of rulers of separate Emirates of the United Arab Emirates|Royalty of the United Arab Emirates]]
• [[List of Co-Princes of Andorra|Andorran royalty]]
• [[List of Albanian monarchs|Albanian royalty]]
• [[List of Bulgarian monarchs|Bulgarian royalty]]
• [[List of Sultans of Brunei|Bruneian royalty]]
• [[House of Wangchuck|Bhutanese royalty]]
• [[Central African Empire|Central African royalty]]
• [[:Category:Cambodian royalty|Cambodian royalty]]
• [[Muhammad Ali Dynasty|Egyptian royalty]]
• [[List of monarchs of Hawaii|Hawaiian royalty]]
• [[List of Indonesian monarchies|Indonesian royalty]]
• [[List of Indian Princely States|Indian royalty]]
• [[House of Savoy|Italian royalty]]
• [[Monarchs of Laos|Lao royalty]]
• [[List of kings of Lesotho|Lesotho royalty]]
• [[:Category:Malaysian royalty|Malaysian royalty]]
• [[Sultan of Oman|Omani royalty]]
• [[House of Thani|Qatar royalty]]
• [[List of kings of Rwanda|Rwandan royalty]]
• [[Monarchy of Sweden|Swedish royalty]]
• [[List of Kings of Thailand|Thai royalty]]
• [[House of Tupou|Tongan royalty]]
• [[:Category:Ugandan monarchies|Ugandan royalty]]
• [[List of Vietnamese monarchs|Vietnamese royalty]]

BomBom (talk) 19:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Done Happy‑melon 11:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for template addition

Could an administrator please add the following template to the list provided on this article. Thanks!

• [[Kingdom of the Two Sicilies|Royalty of the Two Sicilies]]

Caponer (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

What letter code needs to be used? The request above was to wikilink items that already existed in the template; to add new ones you need to have a two-letter code that doesn't conflict with any of the 2- or 3-letter codes for existing countries. For instance 'sc' is the code for the Seychelles, so can't be used here. Once you have that, please add the {{editprotected}} template here to attract attention to the request. Happy‑melon 08:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Request

Could the different countries be ordered according to their country name and not their parameter name because it is confusing to know which countries have a templte. Thanks. The Quill

Request 2

Could we also have Jerusalem Royalty. (Fro use on the Crusader Kings of Jerusalem) The Quill (talk) 18:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Request to change chinese royalty

{{editprotected}} somebody please change the chinese royalty because not all chinese royals are descended from the aisin gioro clan. redirect it toward Table of Chinese monarchs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uyeryer (talk • contribs) 03:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Table of Chinese monarchs has been renamed to List of Chinese monarchs, so please link the text of {{s-roy|cn}} to List of Chinese monarchs. Tvtr (tlk–cntrbtn) 13:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Add Serbian royalty

Can you add Serbian royalty ? --Zoupan (talk) 12:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Which parameter should be used for this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:12, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

[[List of Serbian monarchs|Serbian royalty]] --Zoupan (talk) 16:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I mean which two letter combination should be used to display this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:40, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

sr. --Zoupan (talk) 13:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

{{s-roy|sr}} --Zoupan (talk) 14:17, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Māori Monarchy

Could you please add [[Māori King Movement|Māori Monarchy]] (please note the macrons)? Schwede66 06:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Which parameter should be used for this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}

mr, please. Schwede66 14:54, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Bahraini, Kuwaiti and Moroccan royalty

Could someone add the parameters for the Bahraini (bh), Kuwaiti (kw) and Moroccan royalty (ma)? Thanks in advance. Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 12:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Please revert undiscussed change

{{editprotected}} Please revert colour removal change for which consensus was neither sought or reached at the project's talk page. Bazj (talk) 12:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

this reversal has now been done. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 23:56, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Move colour to top border as per WT:SBS discussion

{{editprotected}} Please move colour to top border as per WT:SBS discussion. Change

background:

to

border-top: 5px solid

Thanks. Bazj (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Done --Diannaa ^(Talk) 04:15, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 February 2012

The entry for Iranian royalty links to a disambiguation page for Iranian monarchy. It would be more appropriate to link to List of kings of Persia. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 06:36, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

SchreiberBike (talk) 06:36, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Done Anomie⚔ 20:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Edit request - incorrect capital letter

Please lower case the "m" for monarchy in Māori monarchy. Neither "monarchy" nor "Māori monarchy" are proper names. thanks. Nurg (talk) 21:50, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

To editor Nurg: replaced "Monarchy" with "royalty" for consistency. Painius  17:23, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Roman emperors edit request

Please add:

|rome=Roman emperors

Thanks in advance! QuartierLatin1968 (talk) 18:31, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

That's a good addition, I think – to remain consistent with the standard format in this template, I have added the following:

 |rm=[[List of Roman Emperors|Roman royalty]]

Painius  17:10, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Painius! I hate to quibble, but Roman emperors weren't royalty. They were more like presidents-for-life in some ways than kings (whom the Roman nobility held in horror). One biographer describes Augustus as in modern terms a military dictator. Would it be possible to switch to Roman emperors or something similar? Q·L·1968 ☿ 02:52, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Q·L·1968 ☿ 15:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit request

The page is protected. Mongolian nobility needs to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erchis (talk • contribs) 06:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Edit request

s-roy|rm should appear as "Roman emperors" and not "Roman Emperors" per the capitalisation on Roman emperor. Thanks. Loqiical (talk) 03:15, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 16 October 2021

rm should appear as "Roman emperors" and not "Roman Emperors" per the capitalisation on Roman emperor. Forgot the template for the initial request. Thanks. Loqiical (talk) 03:20, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

To editor Loqiical:  done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 07:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 5 October 2023

Change the Parameter for {{S-roy|at-hu}} from Austrian monarchs seperately and hungarian monarchs to one that has only [[Austria Hungary]] monarchs. Oren neu dag (talk) 17:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)