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Problem with indented entries[edit]

I have noticed that the message ignores indentation when it shows on a new line. See Talk:Wi-Fi#Alleged Health Concerns for an example. __meco 17:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{{editprotected}} Yah, please remove the linebreak between the noinclude and small. Thanks. --Quiddity 17:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 18:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ugly substing[edit]

There is no consensus whether "unsigned" templates should be transcluded or subst'd. See an old discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Template_substitution/Archive_3#Unsigned_and_Unsigned2 and also Wikipedia:Subst#Under_debate. As a result, some people transclude template and some use subst:. Unfortunately, current version of template produces very ugly code when subst'd:

<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{IP|{{{User|10.1.1.1}}}}}}|{{{IP|{{{User|10.1.1.1}}}}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{IP|{{{User|10.1.1.1}}}}}}|talk]]) {{{Time|17:38, August 23, 2007 (UTC)}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->

This is because of this addition of named parameters, which was pretty much useless in the template with only 2 parameters. Also please check Wikipedia:Subst#Templates_that_should_not_be_substituted — this is exactly what happens with this template. {{editprotected}} Please remove named parameters. Unfortunately it looks like first we'll have to find a bot owner to confirm that the template is almost never called with named parameters and correct where it's called.
P.S. The situation is made much worse by some bot owners that prefer to use "the easy way" and simply subst "Unsigned" templates. See User talk:BetacommandBot (1) and User talk:BetacommandBot (2) (the bot stopped expanding templates since then) and current discussion at User_talk:Slakr#SineBot_sig_code (bot still makes hundreds of ugly edits each day) ∴ Alex Smotrov 19:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there is still verification to do, then it isn't time to put up the editprotected tag. Save that for the last step when an admin can make the change immediately. — Carl (CBM · talk) 22:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just finished verification, in approx. 2000 translcusion (see results at User:Alex Smotrov/z/UnsignedIP) there was only one with named parameters, which I fixed (bottom change in diff). Adding {editprotected} again ∴ Alex Smotrov 05:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
To confirm, the goal is no named parameters at all as in user:CBM/Sandbox? Examples at User:CBM/Sandbox2. — Carl (CBM · talk) 17:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that looks very good. Please make the change. Originally I also wanted to remove the |0.0.0.0}} part as useless, but it turns out users sometimes do use the template without parameters (why? …); anyway, that part doesn't interfere with substing ∴ Alex Smotrov 05:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
done. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs improved documentation[edit]

{{editprotected}} This template should have better documentation. I am requesting that subpage Template:UnsignedIP/doc be created with {{Documentation subpage}} added to it, 

{{Documentation}}
<!-- PLEASE ADD CATEGORIES AND INTERWIKIS TO THE /doc SUBPAGE, THANKS -->

be added to the noinclude container on this template page, and that 

[[Category:Internal link templates|UnsignedIP]]

be removed from this template page. Following Wikipedia:Template documentation. I will add the documentation to the subpage myself. Another registered user could have created the documentation subpage but this template page would have had to been edited by an administrator anyway. 209.244.43.122 (talk) 01:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - moved all existing documentation and category to subpage. Feel free to edit the subpage as needed. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cut and pasted usage documentation section from the top of talk page to /doc. 209.244.43.122 (talk) 18:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Documentation wording[edit]

Objection to this edit: When and why was it decided that "no User page should exist for anonymous ips"? On what policy page is that written? --DocumentN (talk) 23:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Text too small[edit]

{{editprotected}}

Please remove the <small> tag pair from this template; per discussion at Template talk:Unsigned#Text too small. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 12:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

done. — Carl (CBM · talk) 22:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant?[edit]

I'm sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but what does this template do that {{unsigned}} doesn't? --BDD (talk) 15:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing extra: the difference is that it omits the link to the user page (those rarely exist for anon users, and when they do they often display a message suggesting indefinite block, such as {{IPsock}}); in addition, it puts the link to the contribs page first instead of third. In both of these it is consistent with the result when the anon user signs using with four tildes - see, for example, this edit, which the anon user signed properly. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It would be possible to make a template that worked for both, though. 109.153.136.200 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Draft for discussion[edit]

User:Matt Fitzpatrick/Unsigned IP (diff as of this post)

  1. The <font> tag has been dropped in HTML5. I combined it with the italics tags as <em class="error">.
  2. There was some prior discussion here on accessibility, specifically, giving users more control over the font size. Because inline styles override user stylesheets, inline styles actually reduce user control. I replaced <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> with <small class="autosigned">, so user stylesheets can modify the display.
  3. The 0.0.0.0 links may be causing confusion, as people have actually left messages on 0.0.0.0's talk page. The contribs page for 0.0.0.0 is empty and will remain that way for the foreseeable future (0.0.0.0 is a reserved IP address), and talk pages for nonexistent users are speedy deleted (CSD U2) and should not exist. I rewrote the logic to avoid making 0.0.0.0 links. I also removed the <u> tags since they no longer contain a link.

Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 23:59, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't gotten any responses, but the edits would make this template's normal output more similar to {{Unsigned}}, so I believe the edits are uncontroversial. Just in case, I did additional testing on this test page, with no problems coming up.

Please edit the first line of this template as shown in this diff between the current template and the draft. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 12:45, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Looks like improvements to me. SiBr4 (talk) 13:13, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 20 November 2014[edit]

In the signature, the space between the opening dash and the word "Proceeding" should be non breaking, as is done for the similar template, {{Unsigned}}. – voidxor (talk | contrib) 20:24, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done GermanJoe (talk) 22:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Problem[edit]

There seems to be a problem with this template; it is producing bold text where it has been used. Regards, 194.74.238.137 (talk) 10:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent documentation[edit]

According to the lead of the documentation, the difference between this template and {{unsigned}} is that {{unsigned IP}} omits the (talk) link. But both of the {{unsigned IP}} examples show a (talk) link just like {{unsigned}} would. —Salton Finneger (talk) 18:34, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Salton Finneger: No, it says "but omits the userpage link". The userpage is not the user's talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:50, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I suppose so. Thanks. —Salton Finneger (talk) 00:21, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Using a span wrapper[edit]

Redrose64, I initially added a <span> element because I was working on the way the AfD Stats tool detects the unsigned family of templates, and a solution I was thinking about required a <span> element in each template. However, I ultimately went with a different solution that doesn't need one, so there's no issue with using a <small> element. Just wanted to provide an explanation for my original edit. APerson (talk!) 22:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 16 September 2016[edit]

Add "#top" in link to talk page for IP, such as [[User talk:127.0.0.1#top|talk]], so that "talk" won't appear bold on the talk page of the IP if it is that IP's talk page. Would make it similar to the talk page link on Template:Unsigned, which has a "#top" in the talk page link. —MRD2014 (talk) (contribs) 02:55, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 05:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Timestamp parameter[edit]

Should the same invocation of Module:Unsigned that {{Unsigned}} uses be added to this template? —Phil | Talk 16:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Default timestamp parameter[edit]

As I understand it, the timestamp parameter should show the time and date of the IP's comment. At present, substituting the template populates the timestamp parameter with the current UTC time and date, which will (almost?) never be the time and date of the IP's comment. Therefore, shouldn't the timestamp parameter be empty by default? It would be even better if substituting the template resulted in the following, which might encourage users to populate the timestamp parameter:

{{subst:Unsigned IP|Example IP|Please fill in UTC time and date of unsigned comment (UTC)}}

If substituting {{subst:Unsigned}} works the same way (I have not checked it), please consider making the same change in that template.

Thanks.—Finell 20:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Finell: It is empty by default.
What makes you think that it uses the current time and date? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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