Template talk:Welcome-suboptimal
Controversial vs not positive[edit]
On 21:52, 4 September 2023 I made a change to the text to make it less accusatory and more neutral. But User:Adflatuss made a revert, with the opposite argument, stating, "Partial revert to more inclusive version of template. Controversial is not a welcoming introduction to new editors".
I believe that controversial is a more neutral term than "not contribute positively". The former, controversial denotes disagreement without stating whether it is positive or negative. The latter is an outright accusation. In the cited page, using a subsection in articles like "controversial" is not advised because they "call undue attention to negative viewpoints". Which makes it contradictory arguing that "not contribute positively" is a more welcoming option. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 22:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- For over three years, new editors, who are possibly disappointed, have been told that their contribution has been "deemed not to contribute positively to the article" and provided suggestions on how to improve articles. The proposed description of "controversial" is defined as "the subject of intense public argument, disagreement, or disapproval." This seems too strong of a reaction to what is acknowledged as being in good faith. Cheers, 〜 Adflatuss • talk 00:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Well, "not contribute positively" is literally not assuming good faith. A controversial edit is not even an accusation, it just means the edit has caused controversy, which can be good or bad. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 03:22, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Adflatuss Thinker78 (talk) 20:34, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- The consensus for over three years for this template has been "deemed not to contribute positively to the article". If you want to tell new editors that their contribution is "the subject of intense public argument, disagreement, or disapproval", you can create a new template. Cheers, 〜 Adflatuss • talk 20:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Adflatuss Thinker78 (talk) 20:34, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Well, "not contribute positively" is literally not assuming good faith. A controversial edit is not even an accusation, it just means the edit has caused controversy, which can be good or bad. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 03:22, 13 September 2023 (UTC)