User:Aladdin Sane/sandbox

Hold this for me

Let me get this straight: An article that's been reviewed and listed GA in 6 different places (see top of this page), has existed for over eight years, and has undergone 10,908 edits by 4,258 editors is now all of a sudden a problem of "cleanup, confusing, deadend, essay-like, expand, fansite, plot, synthesis and weasel" because one out of 4,258 editors thinks so? There's a bit of a credulity crisis here, and I hope it's not me having the problem. I hate it when that happens. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 04:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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504th Infantry Regiment (United States)

[editors note: Title should be '504th Parachute Infantry Regiment (United States)']

The 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment (504th PIR) is a regiment of the United States Army. It is an airborne infantry regiment. It was constituted in 1942 as the first of three parachute infantry regiments in the re-designated 82nd Airborne Division.

species or race or what

OK, but we need an alternate word, then. My thing is that 'race' can only be human in normal usage of the word 'race' in context, hence I tend to use 'species' when writing of these others in fiction (and I catch myself writing mistakenly by my own standard all the time). But if we use neither 'race' nor 'species', what do you suggest? As to accuracy, I've just sat through 6,027 minutes of a fictional work listening for the mixed usage of the authors of that work of 'race' and 'species' for the fictional reference: I've established we can safely write 'species' in the encyclopedia and ignore the mis-usage 'race'. If you have a better term I'm willing to consider it. Consider we have Metrons, Vorlons, and 1000s of other articles on these fictional "whatevers" to look at. The concept, whether 'race' or 'species' is plenty well-enough defined by the authors of the fictional works to use at least one or the other, as the articles in the encyclopedia show. Since out of 6,027 minutes of produced fictional work Babylon 5 'species' is used as often as 'race', I'm using 'species', since it fits my understanding of the distinction between the terms in normal non-fictional usage. Should we not call fictional ships 'ships'? Should we not at least use the terms the authors used, since we are writing about the fictional works? Or should we change their words, merely because it is fiction? What word should we change Jabberwock to? —Aladdin Sane (talk) 05:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Fictional universe (article)

Usage is:

Policies and Guidelines (Wikipedia:) space:

Wikipedia Manual of Style (writing about fiction) section "The problem with in-universe perspective" – an official Wikipedia MoS Guideline officially uses the term and officially wikilinks to the article to define it. Note that the term "in-universe" is an explicit reference to "fictional universe" and in this context is distinct from "setting" which is a real world term used to describe one of the seven elements of a fictional work in creative writing and English education.

Article space:

One example article, "List of locations in Babylon 5", uses the term "universe" or "fictional universe" 17 times in the context of "fictional universe" in order to differentiate it from the settings listed in the article and to differentiate it from the real world context that the article is supposed to reference per WP:IN-U.

Template space:

{{Infobox fictional planet}} uses the term "universe" in the context of "fictional universe" for a variable specifically to differentiate it from a setting: the planet (setting) for which information is given.

Wiktionary:

wikt:franchise "The loose collection of fictional works pertaining to a particular [fictional] universe, including literary, film, or television series from various sources." [emphasis added] The reference is not to a "factual universe".

See also

Similar articles. A few articles that are similar or related from a five second search of Wikipedia:

• Canon (fiction)
• Continuity (fiction)
• Cthulhu Mythos
• DC Universe
• Expanded Universe
• Fictional country
• Fictional island nations
• Future history
• Harry Potter universe
• Imaginary world
• List of fictional countries
• List of fictional universes
• Marvel Universe
• Multiverse (Marvel Comics)
• Shared universe

Further reading

These are a few of the thousands of books written about "fictional universe" and "fictional universes" (see below for several thousand more) from a five second search on Google:

Books and essays found in books

1. Beahm, George (2005). Fact, fiction, and folklore in Harry Potter's world : an unofficial guide. illustrations by Tim Kirk and Birtton McDaniel. Charlottesville, VA: Hampton Roads Pub. Co. p. 256. ISBN 1571744401. LCCN 2005010369. OCLC 60312513. LOC call number PR6068.O93 Z527 2005. 'Fact, fiction, and folklore in Harry Potter's world : covering the first five Harry Potter novels, this book presents more than one hundred entries that thoroughly examine the myths, legends, literature, and historical references of J. K. Rowling's fictional universe.' —Provided by publisher {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
2. Eberl, Jason T. (2008). Star Trek and philosophy : the wrath of Kant. Chicago, Ill.: Open Court. p. 287. ISBN 978-0812696493. LCCN 2008021531. OCLC 209583829. LOC call number PN1992.8.S74 S727 2008. 'Essays address philosophical aspects of the five television series and ten feature films that make up the Star Trek fictional universe.' —Provided by publisher {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
3. Fanning, Ph.D., Ursula (2002). Gender meets genre : women as subject in the fictional universe of Matilde Serao. Publications of the UCD Foundation for Italian Studies. Dublin, Ireland ; Portland, Or.: Irish Academic Press. p. 300. ISBN 0716526026. LCCN 99160098. OCLC 49543937. LOC call number PQ4841.E7 Z65 2002. Originally presented as the author's thesis (Ph. D.--University of Reading, 1989) under the title: Woman centred: representations of the female character in the works of Matilde Serao. Includes bibliographical references (p. [281]-293) and index. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
4. Grazier, Ph.D., Kevin R. (2008). The science of Dune : unauthorized exploration into the real science behind Frank Herbert's fictional universe. Dallas, TX: BenBella Books. p. 232. ISBN 978-1933771281. LCCN 2007036294. OCLC 168721922. LOC call number PS3558.E63 Z87 2007. LOC Subjects: 1) Herbert, Frank. Dune. 2) Science fiction, American --History and criticism. 3) Dune (Imaginary place) {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
5. Jones, Diana Wynne (2006). The Tough Guide to Fantasyland (Rev. and updated ed.). New York: Firebird. p. 234. ISBN 0142407224. LCCN 2006041153. OCLC 64289475. LOC call number PR6060.O497 Z468 2006. LOC subjects: 1) Jones, Diana Wynne --Authorship --Dictionaries. 2) Children's stories, English --Dictionaries. 3) Fantasy fiction, English --Dictionaries. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
6. Kanes, Martin (2003). "Structures: Organizing a Fictional Universe". Honorâe de Balzac. Philadelphia: Chelsea House Publishers: 243. ISBN 0791070425. LCCN 2002009599. OCLC 50423916. LOC call number PQ2181 .H67 2003. Includes bibliographical references (p. 231-234) and index. 'Provides criticism on the French author who wrote "La Comedie Humaine," a 20-volume fictionalized history of France.' {{cite journal}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |lay-source= and |lay-date= (help)
7. Manguel, Alberto (2000). The Dictionary of Imaginary Places. illustrated by Graham Greenfield ; with additional illustrations by Eric Beddows ; maps and charts by James Cook (Newly updated and expanded ed.). New York: Harcourt Brace. p. 755. ISBN 0151005419. LCCN 99046994. OCLC 42397780. LOC call number GR650 .M36 2000. Includes bibliographical references and index. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
8. Ochoa, George (1993). Writer's Guide to Creating A Science Fiction Universe. Cincinnati, Ohio: Writer's Digest Books. p. 314. ISBN 0898795362. LCCN 92044258. OCLC 27388661. LOC call number PN3377.5.S3 O24 1993. Includes bibliographical references (p. 301-303) and index. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
9. Page, Michael (1998) [1985 UK]. Encyclopedia of Things That Never Were: Creatures, Places, and People. New York, N.Y: Penguin Studio. p. 240. ISBN 0140100083. LCCN 86040356. OCLC 39617386. LOC call number GR35 .P33 1987. Includes index. Bibliography: p. 236-237. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
10. Stableford, Brian (1999). The Dictionary of Science Fiction Places. illustrations by Jeff White. New York: Wonderland Press. p. 384. ISBN 0684849585. LCCN 98031937. OCLC 59439258. LOC call number PN3433.4 .D53 1999. 'A Fireside book.' Includes bibliographical references (p. 360-372) and index. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |lay-date= (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)

Web resources

These are web search results from a few organizations that provide books and other references about "fictional universe" or "fictional universes". The citations contain selected quotes from the results.

• Amazon. "1,538 search results for "fictional universe" (books only) at Amazon". Amazon. From the journal Poetics: 'This article presents a geometric data analysis (GDA) of the two "spaces of fictional universes" made up by the literary works of two cohorts of US prose fiction debut writers, 1940 and 1955. It is argued that the analysis reveals a common structure with significant variations that enable a comparison between two different states of a collective social imaginary, generated by 385 of the 560 authors included in the study. It is shown that the 1955 space is characterized by a greater contrast between agonistic and non-agonistic universes, and a firmer gendering of these oppositions. Other results include a confirmation of the generally accepted intuition that first novelists tend to reproduce features of their own social and geographical background in their works, but it is argued that different "site effects" enable a greater power to appropriate symbolically privileged spaces. The article concludes with a brief return to the individual authors, indicating the kind of research that the geometric data analysis makes possible.'
• Google Books. "936 search results for "fictional universe" at Google Books". Proceedings of the XIIth Congress of the International Comparative Literature Association, München 1988: Space and boundaries in literary theory and criticism. Space and boundaries in the teaching of general and comparative literature. {{cite web}}: |author= has generic name (help)
• Google Scholar. "2,400 search results for "fictional universe" at Google Scholar". Hamlet on the holodeck {{cite web}}: |author= has generic name (help)
• The Library of Congress. "108 search results for "fictional universe" at the Library of Congress". Library of Congress.
• Primary contributors: RandomCritic, Serendipodous; et al. (3 January 2010 12:37 UTC). "List of fictional universes". Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Page Version ID: 335624468. Retrieved 3 January 2010 17:07 UTC. An Earth much like ours, but with some fantastic twists. ... The Wizarding world of the Harry Potter series by J. K. Rowling. {{cite encyclopedia}}: |author= has generic name (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help); Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
• Primary contributors: Serendipodous, Lord Opeth; et al. (3 January 2010 17:28 UTC). "Harry Potter universe". Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Page Version ID: 335658552. Retrieved 4 January 2010 05:54 UTC. The fictional universe of J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter series of fantasy novels comprises two separate and distinct societies: the wizarding world and the Muggle world. {{cite encyclopedia}}: |author= has generic name (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help); Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |separator= ignored (help)
• WorldCat (OCLC). "238 search results for "fictional universe" at WorldCat (OCLC)". Jonathan Swift's use of a fictional universe in four treatise satires.: Thesis/dissertation : Manuscript

Dear sir,

I've looked at the history of the article "Fictional universe".

I understand that you own the article and care for it deeply, and I understand that you're enjoying playing with it as a cat would a mouse, but I must humbly request that the article be restored by reverting the previous re-direct that was logged here. Thank you for your understanding and prompt attention in this matter.

Your obedient servant,

..admin help..

The article "Fictional universe" (founded 11 September 2002) was proposed to be merged with the article Setting (fiction) (founded 29 December 2005) on 31 May 2009. [see diff]

Very flat-out no consensus to merge was received on the Talk page on 31 May. (see full discussion)

On 15 June a non-consenting editor removed the merge tag but on 21 June it was restored. [tag removal by non-consenting editor] [tag restoration]

The merge tag stayed up on the article until November with no further discussion. [see final diff prior to re-direct]

On 8 November 2009 the article was unilaterally deleted via re-direct, with no further discussion. [see diff]

I requested the article be restored by revert of the re-direct. [see above request]

The request was declined (see above, or did I already say that?) per WP:OWN and WP:IDONTLIKEIT.

The article is now being held hostage by unilateral delete via redirect contrary to consensus and contrary to the same proposing editor's merge proposal (no merge was performed; quite the opposite, only the See also reference to "Fictional universe" was removed from "Setting (fiction)") and is now being held for the ransom of "other editors hand feeding an editor the seven source references that were previously provided for them (and all readers) in the now-deleted article".

In a case like this (see above, ahem), the other editor has made it clear that if I revert the re-direct myself, my action will simply be undone, rendering any unilateral action on my part pointless. This is a stalemate; yet there is only one correct action for the encyclopedia as a whole, for the article specifically, and most importantly for readers of the encyclopedia: conceptual articles like Fictional universe are needed when we write articles based on them. At the time "Fictional universe" was deleted, well over 1000 articles pointed to it. (see WhatLinksHere/Fictional universe)

The conceptual argument being presented is "Since I can't tell the difference between a setting and a fictional universe, nobody else can, either, so nyeh, nobody has a right to read the article and judge for themselves." I note the same anti-conceptual argument applies to all conceptual articles: On the basis of that argument, I can just as easily argue that the articles Apple and Banana should be re-directs in to Fruit, because they are all fruit and I can't tell the difference (and, after all, only people who can differentiate things without help need an encyclopedia, everybody else has "magical knowledge" obviating the need for the whole project).

This editor feels they should not have to stand for editorial blackmail, and this editor wishes they had a Userbox that said that.

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