Note that anyone is allowed to remove a prod for any reason; if they're removed, the next step is not to restore them but to send the articles to WP:AFD. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Note: What? Where? When? Thanks.
P.S. Note: If I restored, a removed prod - it was probably because they blanked more than just the prod message. Thanks. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 13:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
P.P.S. Note: I can't find where I removed a prod message anywhere. Are you sure you left that note at the right talk page? KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 13:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
P.P.P.S Oh wait I think I may have found them - are you talking about my reverts here, there, over here, over there, and finally here? Ummm those reverts were due to 2 reason. They were done to disrupt Wikipedia, and they were being done from multiple accounts in an abusive manner. All blockable offensives, and last I checked, we generally revert banned users. Thanks. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 14:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I didn't realize that the user was banned; that does make a difference. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I was blocked from editing by Nat, after I reverted someone from removing sourced content from an article 3 times, in spite of the consensus on the talk page and other editors also intervening, and then reporting the POV warrior on the 3rr noticeboard. I am beyond furious at this action, and need to get somebody's objective opinion about it. sorry for taking this to you, but I can barely think right now I am so angry. I shall not be editing for a while, because i do not trust myself to be objective while this upset. And sorry if this seems absurdly overboard and unnecessarily dramatic. Jeffpw 12:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I can understand fully why you're upset, and it's easy to understand why you saw this one as simple vandalism and thus not under the 3RR rule. I checked to make sure the guy who was in the wrong got blocked as well, and he did. I've been in similar situations, and posted the problem on the LGBT project messageboard or ANI specifically so that I could get other users involved and not have to violate 3RR myself, or tried to arrange to get the other guy blocked for violating consensus and disruptive editing before reverting. I don't think you behaved unreasonably, but I do think that it's always better to avoid that 3RR if at all possible, even when I know I'm certainly in the right. Still, I understand why you're angry, and would give you a hug, except that I'm in Cincinnati. PS- my furnace was repaired yesterday, a long and expensive job that involved putting holes in my beautiful home. I went to bed in a nice warm home. When I woke up, it was cold again; the furnace stopped working in the night. I think I'm going to cry. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
But I didn't violate 3rr. I stopped after 3 reverts. that's why I felt I had done nothing wrong. Anyway, thanks for your reply, though it seems we are both verging on tears right now. I am so sorry about your heating problems (and the hole in your beautiful house). I am going to watch The Wizard Of Oz on DVD now. That always makes me feel better. I'd ship you one of my fur coats, but it probably wouldn't get there in time. Feel hugged--I know I do by you. Thanks for making me feel better. Jeffpw 12:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Pah! Wimp!! My central heating thingy stops working just about every other day, and pees water all over the kitchen when it does. And as for Jeff's "overboard and dramatic", I was once ready to do mayhem because my IP got autoblocked, so I know where he's coming from. Tonywalton | Talk 22:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
you speak esparanto?! :oooooo that is lyk sooooooooo totally cool! like oh my gee like oh em gee like OMG! cos everyone was just lyk t2 me 'omg, u well do italian n spanish' n i was lyk 'yeah for deffo' and then tash the rash was just lyk 'yeah.... fo deffo'... and then everyone was just lyk... 'OMG! eff oh deffo'... and i woz lyk well omging coz it woz quite kwl... but then yeah we well tried learning esparanto (me n geraldine... omg she is actually lyk such a ho sometimes... you know Matt Jacob? well you dont... but appaz, she lyk had a 'freshman session' with him and his bf! I know. I KNOW! lyk tell me about it... but wats funnier is that neither of them no she sessioned it out with either of them... lyk megalolz!)... but yeah anyway... but lyk tash well came in and she/he/it was well just lyk... urgh! @ Geraldine... and i woz just lyk... Oh my bee tash... lyk proper oh my badness! lyk... i no u dont lyk her cos she freshman sessioned with ur bf it in like the last grade, and burnt your work, and cut off your hair when u were sleeping, and also put ur mum in hospo, but lyk you no... im sure she had good intentions... and then ... but she had just put us in like the most orkwud situ evrrrr! so lyk yeah... I just lyk so totally walkd off... and I didnt get to learn any esparanto... it must be lyk so hard to actually learn it then if I couldnt do it (i mean lyk... come on... I was well ahead of Josay Gabriel the Gaybriel in lyk every year and hes well just trying to be the new me and im just lyk NO! i am well 'kay oh oh el ar' than you! (that spells cooler... right?)) so yeah... omg, that is lyk so totally cool... u shud well teach me... or not... cos lyk my wikidopter lyk tries to teach me stuff n its well hard over the intrnet but lyk yeah you no... hey thanks Iamandrewrice 18:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
...Jesus. I wanted to tear off my face while trying to read this. GlassCobra 18:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
This is my adoptee. It's one step forward, two steps back, lately. <sigh> Jeffpw 18:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
What? i was simply complimenting him on speaking esparanto... cos i know how hard i found it wen i was trying to learn cos tash well walked in and just made it lyk so totally impossible that i was just lyk OH MY BEE tash your such a rash! but yeah well done fisherqueen! esparanto is lyk so the new chinese... EVERYONE wants it! but yeah... i think itll probably pass out next season so i wont bother too much with it... cos lyk last year... Oh My... like seriously... like tbh... like ser... i spent lyk loads of money that i was lyk well meant to spend on everyones xmas presents but it was ok cos they got me enough to make up for it i/t/e yeah, so you know... but yeah i spent it all on these like MEGACOOL shooz... and then amanda the salamander well took them from me and everyone thort i copied her! I KNOW! but dont woz, i well got her back on fotoday cos lyk that dress? urgh! she well thort it woz coolios just coz i well spread this rumour that joanna told kerry that i wasnt gonna party it at mellisa's house... you know melissa? the one who everyone said was marissas twin even though they are lyk so totally not, but yeah... that i wasnt gonna go to her house cos mandy told jeff to tell emily that matt jacob freshman sessioned it with eliza who showed him wot she woz gonna prom it wearing, and amanda believed! megalolz tbh! luv agen fo the esparanto... but i heard from jayson that kara was taking it up and i was just lyk... oh my bee... wot a geek! so then everyone woz just lyk well oh my bee... wot a weirdo @ kara! lolz... so yeah i dont think itll be in for long cos then Kari heard it and you know... once kari hears... EVRYONE hears! tbh rite tbh! Iamandrewrice 18:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow. I was going to write other comments, but ... just Wow. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I didn't think my eyebrows could go quite that high - bravo, Mr Rice. ~ Riana ⁂ 18:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Was that Esperanto, then? Tonywalton | Talk 20:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
In my considered opinion, no. Though I am am not familiar with it, I think that is what is referred to as "teen talk".....and the sort of talk that unfortunately contributed to a little time out for my adoptee. Jeffpw 20:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, fine. Mi ne parolas Esperanton, so I was confused. Perhaps they should have {{User nonsense-3}} on their page! Tonywalton | Talk 21:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I can read and write a little Esperanto, though when it comes to spoken Esperanto, I'm less fluent. It's not at all difficult to learn, and there are several good online learning sites, so if you're interested in learning, you don't need to actually take a class, just to be reasonably self-motivated. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
And I think that it's important that you know that I didn't read most of what you wrote. When I see a large block of teenspeak like that, especially when it isn't relevant to the encyclopedia, it just isn't worth the effort to me to decode it. I know that, if you have something to say that's important to improving the encyclopedia, you'll take the time to write it in simple, clear standard English, and you deserve to know that, when you don't, I may not bother trying to understand what you're saying. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
<-- Which goes not only for teenspeak, IMO, Any damn great chunk of text (on Wikipedia or elsewhere), even if the Meaning Of Life is buried somewhere about line 743, is not worth reading for most people, including myself (Tony awards self Barnstar For Promoting Good Text Layout Before FQ Gets One). Tonywalton | Talk 21:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Tony must hate it when I offer RfA opinions then, lol. In my defense, I feel that opinions are important, and when I offer an opinion, I validate it with explanations, diffs, etc., regardless of which view it is, support or oppose. Of course, I do tend to be verbose at other times as well, so I would imagine Tony avoids me like the plague lol. Ariel♥Gold 00:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Verbosity isn't the issue. I tend to be verbose as all getout. The issue is formatting; I can at least be verb ose with linebreaks Tonywalton | Talk 00:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Ohhhh good to know! Yeah, unfortunately, the format of RfAs tends to really not work well with line breaks, sometimes it messes up the numbering, so I do a large paragraph there, although every fiber of my being screams while doing it, lol. But everywhere else, I love paragraphs, and yes, I find it difficult to read giant chunks of text as well. Good to know you won't avoid me like the plague! ~*Giggle*~ Well, at least not for being verbose, anyway. Ariel♥Gold 00:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Blocked for a week by me for the personal attacks. Tonywalton | Talk 00:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Now, come on. Everyone has a right to his opinion, even people whose opinions are bigotry-fueled vandalism and personal attacks. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Oh, wait, I forgot, it doesn't apply to Wikidiots. Never mind. I think a week's block was more than reasonable; I expect someone will have to extend it to an indef before too long. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 01:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I expect so. Mind you, for 24.82.148.149 (talk·contribs) to come along the same day and remove the exact same things that have been there for a very long time and to add a garbled comment on the talk page is a remarkable coincidence...
I love the way that others watching your talk page will sort things out without the need to go to AN/I, etc. :) --AliceJMarkham 05:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I like to think of my talk page as the bathroom to the corporate offices of ANI. Sometimes, useful work and networking happens, just because we all happen to be in here. Sometimes, it's so unspeakably sordid that we might all be fired if they knew what we do in here. Tap. Tap. Taptaptap. I'm tapping my toe in a regular pattern. Now I'm running my hand under the edge of the stall...-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Includes adding the templates {{fact}} and {{or}} and wikilinking the wrong article (as the other user did here), and features a full edit summary.
Add a statement to the talk page saying that photos that depict the same overall effect should be removed.
Telling the blocked user to be civil, which I've seen before as sock goodhand/badhand behaviour.
Add an external link to the article, which is slightly spam-ish but gives a valid outline of 2 forms of augmentation procedure used on genetic females.
I realise that it's probably a bit soon to be certain, but does anybody else smell a sock here? They have raised a valid point about the stub article not being referenced, but that should only take a few minutes to fix. --AliceJMarkham 06:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Giove's gone crazy lately. Look at this, here he goes: [1] as IP 87.9.234.27 then [2] as IP 87.2.235.167 and here's a continuation of his obsessive "name of Zadar" edit-warring [3] and [4] as IP 87.2.63.34. Do you think this warrants a block? Please respond on my talk page. Best, --Gp75motorsports 14:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I just don't get the passion which this user is bringing to such a minor point. Clearly there's some cultural thing that I'm missing here. I see that User:DIREKTOR has already filed a report at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Giovanni Giove (4th), which will probably result in some blocks, but with these nonstatic IPs, alas, sometimes all we can do is keep reverting and wait for them to get bored. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to the powderkeg. Probably the most important thing I've learned since I started editing here, besides discovering the Vampire Watermelon (and related infernal undead gourds) is that anything that has to do with the Balkans, no matter how minute, is grounds for doing just about anything; up to and including dressing up as Spiderman for a climb. Then, when you get busted, you can simply claim that you were promoting THE TRUTHTM and that there is a vast cabal of nationalist pigs who are actively trying to sway Wikipedia into the realms of whitewashed history. It's a lonely place being the only one standing between the truth and the POV hoards of doom... and it apparently never gets boring.
A couple hundred years of hatred makes people do the darndest things... like suddenly have a range of IPs show up and edit the same articles as a blocked editor, right after their unblock appeal was refused. Funny coincidence there, eh?--Isotope23talk 16:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
"People have little fear of the vampire pumpkins and melons because of the creatures' lack of teeth." I'm so glad that you directed me toward the Vampire Watermelon article. I didn't realize that this was a Balkan thing; now I understand. I guess he'll die eventually. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
You know, I almost AFD'd that article a long time ago. Then, I saw that it had real sources; the old-fashioned book kind. To me it is the epitome of what Wikipedia should be; a place where the knowledge of the past gets kept and introduced to the digital generation.
...and I've always wondered who would win a fight between the Vampire Watermelon and Bunnicula.--Isotope23talk 17:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
<-----If you want to get your feet wet with with less outright hostility and more subtle sniping (kind of like a teenage girls in high school from what I have heard), head over to any Korean/Japanese article (see Korean Cuisine for the current hotspot). spryde | talk 17:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen!
Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken!
It's Britney, Bitch!
Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think".
Game show for nerds
Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do.
Jón Þór Birgisson
I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me".
TranSanta
Everybody loves a sequel
Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win??
Not quite the second coming, but special just the same
Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!"
Battle of the Wikipedia Stars!
Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts.
Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!).
Santa's on his gay way!
Santa needs elves
Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future.
Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D
Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line.
Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East.
Ambrosia
Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia!
Christmas came early
Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct!
You!
Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa!Delirious Dong Zhi!Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life!
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Your definition of "unconstructive" is madness, I tell you, MADNESS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wbbs (talk • contribs) 18:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
It looks like Prester John (talk·contribs) is having a field day trying to make a WP:POINT. He's deleting anything that looks un-American, or if it belongs to one of his dissenters, anything negative to his belief system. Do you think it should be brought up at WP:ANI or will reporting it to you suffice? --WebHamster 19:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I've given him one warning to cut it out. If he repeats, feel free to request blocking at ANI if I'm not online. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, um, I hope you weren't too "attached" to your bicycle...
I have been burned by adoptees in the past, but you look so sincere, and asked so politely, so I think we can be friends. In spite of what you might hear, I am an excellent judge of character! Jeffpw (talk) 23:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Great! I probably won't turn out to be a semiliterate sockpuppet with delusions of competency. Probably. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Dude, FisherQueen is TOTALLY a sock. Probably of Willy on Wheels, but I can't prove it yet. </bad humor>. - Philippe | Talk 00:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Ha... I knew it! 8P --Isotope23talk 01:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Haven't you learned anything about AGF, guys????? Squiggy/FQ says she isnot a sock, so I believe it. By the way Squiggy, I'm going out of town for a week, so will leave you my keys so you can feed the cats. Forgot to buy catfood, too, so will leave my AMEX card on the table. I know you'll do a great job while I am away. My trust is hard to gain, but once you have it, it's yours forever! Jeffpw (talk) 07:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
A few of your major electronics had some problems while you were away, so I took them to the repair shop; don't worry if you don't see your TV or your computer when you get back. And I'm afraid the cat ran away; sorry about that. Don't dig too deeply in the mound of dirt in the garden; I was just burying some trash. Hope you had a great trip! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Dearest Squiggy, Thank you for your quick thinking about the appliances! I lead such a busy life I hadn't even noticed they were acting up. I look forward to having good working appliances when the repair shop is finished. I noticed there wasn't any receipt laying around--which repair shop is it?
I am rather disappointed about Mr. Snuggles. How did he get away? He is afraid to go outside. Maybe he is hiding somewhere in the house? I'll have a look around.
How thorough you were with the trash! We do have trash service here, but I guess you didn't want to leave smelly old garbage in the house for my return. So sweet :-D The neighbors were a little cranky about the digging, though, and asked me to set the garden back in order. I'm going to go out and take care of it immediately. Being a good neighbor is so important!! Don't you agree?
Thanks again for your help. I knew I could trust you, no matter what some people may have been thinking. So few assume good faith these days!!!! Jeffpw (talk) 23:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, Squiggy! Oh, Mr. Snuggles!!!! OH, MY God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Jeffpw (talk) 23:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Dude, Squiggy left for Micronesia this morning. He won't be back until April. He says, 'Hey.' -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
FisherQueen,
UMS is not a school club. It is a not-for-profit arts presenting organization that supports itself from ticket sales, grants, etc. I am, however, a student at the University of Michigan and would like to create an article about UMS because I enjoy attending many of their performances. UMS is internationally recognized organization and is consistently ranked with Carnegie Hall and the Lincoln Center as being the best among presenting arts organizations. I certainly hope you deem these organizations as notable - and they certainly have Wikipedia articles! UniversityMusicalSociety (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
So all you need to do is go to deletion review with at least three reliable sources- that is, articles about how important this club is that were not published in a University of Michigan newspaper or web site, and explain specifically how this group meets the notability criteria. In general, though, an organization that is purely local in scope would not be considered notable. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Just FYI UniversityMusicalSociety has re-registered as Amyfing. I've moved the original talkpage and we'e discussing the article. Looking at http://www.ums.org this looks easily notable enough for an article - their Choral Union alone has a Grammy! Cheers, TonywaltonTalk 17:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC) (also placed on User talk:Nil Einne)
That's cool. I may have been so cross-eyed from deleting non-notable organizations that I didn't give it as detailed a look as I should have; I appreciate your picking up on the group's significance. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Makes a nice change to deal with someone reasonable. Trouble is, paranoia is setting in. Anyone asking for help now makes me wonder if it's yet another Jeffpw adoptee clone :( TonywaltonTalk 17:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I really am Willy on Wheels, you know. This is just the account I use when random pagemoves don't sound entertaining. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
What a stupidhead. You can't insult a gay person by calling them gay. Dude needs a better hobby. Like kissing boys. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Think I'll pass on that one, thanks. I keep waiting for my userpage to be replaced by "you=straight" though. TonywaltonTalk 16:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we try just not reverting for half an hour or so? I suspect this is a bored teenager with a nonstatic IP, so the best way to get him to stop is to bore him to death. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Disregard the above; I've put a brief protect on it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry - missed this with all the UMS traffic. No problem - I meant I'd have exactly as much of a problem with "you=straight" as you would with "you=gay", and for the same reason! TonywaltonTalk 17:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
It really does. There are so many people commenting who appear to have no concept of Wikipedia rules, or the rules of basic courtesy, or essential reading comprehension skills, that it makes me despair of Wikipedia ever living up to its goals. The whole project is doomed to eventually collapse in on itself in a great shrieking heap of ignorance, meanness, selfishness, and spam, isn't it? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
As my old Dad used to say, before they took him away, "you can't argue with bigotry". TonywaltonTalk 23:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I didn't see an 'exceptional patience in assisting my learning' barnstar, so you get this one instead. A barnstar in thanks of all of the explanations, jokes, excellent wikilinking and of course, an amazing user page. There aren't enough adjectives to describe the wonder that is FisherQueen. WLU (talk) 20:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
You're just trying to make me feel better, aren't you? Well, I'm not finished wallowing yet. :) Thanks for the kind words. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any reason why you couldn't keep that on your user page. Of course, it won't be useful in any articles, because it is your own analysis. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Jerry A. Payne, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Jerry A. Payne. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Did you just notify yourself of your own PROD?--Isotope23talk 19:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The usual way this happens is prdding something with twinkle, while it gets deleted in the main time, which results in recreation of the article with just the PROD template. Twinkle then notifies the creator, which by putting the PROD up becomes yourself. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Sweet. I love semi-automated software. :)--Isotope23talk 19:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Yep. That's exactly how it happened. I then deleted the page. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Elizabeth Quarshie has been edited. Original contributor new to wikipedia, and given welcome, and notes about article. SriMesh | talk 20:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Nominated for AFD. It's still essentially an unsourced, awkwardly worded resume full of unimportant details about someone who doesn't appear to be notable.--Isotope23talk 20:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Could you pse have another look now that my translation is done? Mikeo1938 (talk) 21:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I removed the wikify and unreferenced tags, since the article has both now. I can't read the references, of course, but it's my own fault for not speaking German. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Jeder soll deutsch können. Ich gucke mal... TonywaltonTalk 20:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting references as well (if you happen to be interested in electrical transmission systems, which I am (my old Dad was the chief chemist at Drax power station. I like the comment in one ref that the Reichspost (the Post Office) managed to put up 175km (108 miles) of transmission cable in only 6 weeks. Wonder how long that would take today. Kudos to Mikeo1938 - nice job. TonywaltonTalk 20:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
My translation of your first sentence follows: "Jeter sold Dutch cans. Icky bad guck. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
An exact translation! I thought you didn't speak German! TonywaltonTalk 23:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for removing the tags. Also thanks for comments re my translation. Mikeo1938 (talk) 00:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This is to inform you that the Article uploaded from
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> user: hassanhn5
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> 'Role of NGO's in development of Pakistan'
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> has been deleted by wikipedia considering it as a copyright problem but it
> is a rewritten and compiled form of text from verified sources. A paragraph
> or a small portion that looks similar content to the reference web sites
> doesn't mean that copyrights have been violated.
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> This is a request for restoration of that article.
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> I needed that data and it was not availible on wikipedia so when I finally
> created my own article I uploaded it for public use...and now its deleted.
> It is very discouraging for the editors to have such responses from the
> admin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.78.226.118 (talk • contribs)
The deleted article is available at this web site if you need the data. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not republish work which has been published elsewhere unless it has the express permission of the copyright owner, so I won't be able to undelete that article here. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
You fat dykey cunt! If you would fucking read for once in your life, you would see that I did have a reason for getting unbanned. My ban was being continued unfairly, but you don't listen and just sit on your fat ass and hit the block indefinately button. Not fair, cuntbag. I hope you get hit by a car. I'm just going to keep creating accounts on different IPs
Yes, that message is a pretty good example of why you are blocked. If creating new accounts and getting them blocked sounds like fun to you, then I hope you get a lot of joy out of it. I think you'll find it's actually pretty dull, and that you'll have more fun finding something else to do. Have you read the Harry Potter books yet? They're quite a good read, and a lot of the kids are really enjoying them. Me, I admit that I like Lemony Snicket better; I think he's the superior writer, though I know that JK Rowling is the one who gets more publicity. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Don't forget The Golden Compass, FQ! Or The Chronicles of Narnia. They are both inspiring, uplifting reads, and that foul mouthed anon IP seems like he needs something with an improving edge. Sheesh, what joy can somebody get from talking like that? Does he kiss his mother with that mouth? Jeffpw (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
What about The Lord of the Rings? That's a nice long book to take your mind off of foul-mouthed behavior. And there's a lot of nice things in there about how to treat others with respect. Or perhaps The Bible? I always get bogged down in the "begats" section in Genesis, but the IP may find the New Testament instructional. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps this book might be more to that editor's taste? TonywaltonTalk 15:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't really get into The Golden Compass, and I think The Lord of the Rings might be beyond this user's reading level, but I'll second the Narnia books for sure. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate the thought, but normally experienced users offer a barnstar to someone who has done something special; it isn't usual to just give them randomly. There are lots of other interesting things to do at Wikipedia- the Community Portal is a great place to see some of the things you can do to help. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I forgot to mention- some people might consider your random barnstarring to be disruptive, like, for example, the person who just blocked you. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I get it, but don't think for a minute that other radio people don't do this
look up Tommy Smith (dj)
other "sockpuppet" is only because I forgot previous username —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcage (talk • contribs)
If you'd like to stick around and help us delete promotional articles, we can always use the help. Instructions for nominating something for deletion are here, and the minimum standards for notability are here. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
There are Wikipedia users who love to take autobiographical articles about people who just barely meet the standards and research those people, carefully adding fully sourced information about every embarrassing mistake they've ever made, every crime they've ever committed. Of course, as long as it's fully sourced, the subjects can't then remove the information. It's kind of funny to watch them realize that Wikipedia articles really are informational and community- made, not promotional. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I was considering unblocking User:Coolmoose with a warning; unless there was something fishier than the semi random barnstars going on? — Coren(talk) 00:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Ignore me. I was looking at the wrong block log. :-) — Coren(talk) 01:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Unblock if you like. I think he's just screwing around, and I doubt that anything useful is going to come from him, but I don't mind giving him enough rope to hang himself. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Extol International was deleted, but I don't know where to source the article since it's literally a smaller town and there is no historic records on employement.. it's sort of common knowledge in a town of only 15,000 .. .I could technically make up the first list created if you want? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wehberf (talk • contribs) 17:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
If no reliable independent sources have written about this company, then it doesn't meet the notability criteria, and an international encyclopedia doesn't need an article about it. It's no big deal; we only need articles about the most important companies, not every company in the world. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Bob in the bottle is a cartoon, so dont know whats the problem Rjransijn (talk) 10:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, so Tonywalton is the homophobe? I guess I was confused, I thought it was Jeff. Well, you should both be desysopped for... I guess... pissing off an anon. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
"Both be desysopped"? Hmmmmm. I didn't know I was "opped". Was this an early Christmas present, and should I be packing my bags for New Admin School? Why am i always the last to know??!!??Jeffpw (talk) 12:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Dangit, I forgot. Yes, you should be pre-emptively desysopped for your homophobia, and there should be a RFNBA, a Request for Never Being an Administrator, opened on you immediately. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Best regards to you (Scott Spector (talk) 13:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC))
We like new users. At least, we like the new users who aren't vandals, trolls, bored high school students lookin' for a fight, or Serbians and Croatians looking to fight out their ongoing war here... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Best way to approach a new article about a theater? Here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Spector (talk • contribs) 14:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
You forgot the hatters FQ... We have quite enough of them right now.--Isotope23talk 14:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC) Government mind control beam free since '83!
Well, at least I think he is! We'll see what checkuser thinks... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Huh. Well, he hadn't done enough yet for me to see if he was going to be useful or not, but I have plenty of good faith for everybody. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
You proposed my article Pat Kelly singer songwriter profile for deletion. ok. i am pat kelly's webmaster. the info comes from www.patkelly.eu - my email address is info@patkelly.eu, does this help to leave things as they are otr how am i ever going to get something published about pat kelly here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Pan37 (talk • contribs)
The article does not make it clear whether or not this person is notable. Your message points out two additional problems- as his webmaster, you have a conflict of interest that makes it not appropriate for you to create an article about him, and if the text is copied from his web site, then it is both a violation of copyright and a violation of our neutral point of view policy. Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia- it isn't a forum for promotion or advertising. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the welcome Fisher Queen. I have finally figured out how to leave users a message (I hope). Forgive spelling, grammar and syntax errors, English teacher. (the irony: my first edit a typo revision! What would Kate Turabian say?!?) I have long wanted to help Wikipedia as I often found spelling/typo/grammar errors and also had some additions and finally did it. I hope I can help out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduardowiki (talk • contribs)
You're starting out exactly the way I did; with copyediting. And look! Now, I are an adminitrasor! :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
How much do I not want to be involved in this? 100. No, 150. Whoever he is, he's a terrible writer, and I want him to just go away. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I perfectly agree!! I was just trying to keep you informed so I'm less involved in this... ;-) Porcupine (prickle me!·contribs·status) 18:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
And please don't take that comment as implying that I didn't want you to keep me updated. I'm involved now, damn it all. I don't suppose it's very likely that he will just go away and play with his Wii or something. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
(ec)No, of course. I'd be more than happy to leave this world and play with my Wii - if I had one..... You possibly ought to peep at the talkpages of his various other accounts (blocked in this order: France, Secisalive, Secfrance, Dwrules, MrClaxson, --07TARDIS, --07Dalek, Peopleblockme), and see how many had to be protected because of his post-block trolling - all directed against me :-) and all remarkably similar considering that they're all "totally different people". One of his excuses was that he bought a computer from some people, which accounts for an IP-address similarity (well, identicality)!! Anyway, enjoy your new-found responsibilities :D Porcupine (prickle me!·contribs·status) 18:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Now I see your edit at User talk:Christian07TARDIS. Yeah, I was getting well and truly fed up of his having three accounts all demanding unblock, all crying out with triple voices about how they all deserved to be unblocked because of the incoherent unfairness of the universe... I don't want to hear him, but if I have to, I only want to hear him once. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
It is good for admins to have the same opinions as those they police ;-) Porcupine (prickle me!·contribs·status) 18:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe I'll just protect that talk page as well; how many unblock requests does one person really need? Counting his assorted sockpuppets, I think he's had at least five. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd recommend that you do - he's had at least 8, probably 11, accounts blocked, and all have gone on trolling and trolling after the hammer of justice comes down. Just tell him that if he's so interested in helping the 'Pedia, the best thing he can do is stop disrupting it and give up! :-) Porcupine (prickle me!·contribs·status) 18:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
While you were writing this message, I was reviewing the accounts you linked to, noticing the obvious similarities in editing patterns and writing style, writing one last decline, and protecting the page. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Good on you! I wonder how long it'll be before another of his "brothers" turns up, with the name Christian08Cyberman or something... Porcupine (prickle me!·contribs·status) 18:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
for the revert. That ip is a sockpuppet of Mark753. For some reason he really doesn't like me. Thanks again. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 20:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's understandable. You're ugly, and you smell funny. Also, you are of an objectionable race, nationality, gender, and sexual orientation. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
This is true! Why just the other day I was compared to Homer Simpson and this guy... By my own mother!! O_o KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 20:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree with User:David Shankbone. The source you are citing does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources; if you want to demonstrate that this is true and important, you'll need to cite a newspaper or magazine article. That should be easy to find; if Brownback has really publicly stated that the Earth does not orbit the Sun, then it will have been reported on by many, many more reliable sources. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Fisher Queen,
let me say that I appreciate your civilized tone, with which the tone of User:David Shankbone simply has nothing in common. Anyway, I have already replied to him. You can find my reply (to which I have nothing to add) at his talk-page.
hello,
you suggested to delete the page Monika Kruse - I translated the text from the german and spanish version of wikipedia and added some press text from the No historical backstage - an charity organisation Monika Kruse is doing.
she release several albums and is one of Germany´s most known Techno Musician —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clubberberlin (talk • contribs)
Great! If she's as popular as you say, it should be no big deal to add a few independent sources, like newspaper and magazine articles about her, or reviews of her music in significant sources. I checked the German Wikipedia's article, but it didn't have any independent sources, either. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I can't give you a strong answer, because I don't actually read German. MySpace is not usually considered a reliable source, but the first article does seem to be in a magazine, and so a better source- I'm sure someone will come along who can read it and verify that it fits the bill. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I know you are an administrator so that is why I am coming to you. Is it possible to propose a deletion of a page that had already passed a deletion scrutiny earlier? My reasons are different than the last time (I wasn't involved in that discussion). In this case the article in question is a category page, Category:Whistle register singers. The reason why I want to delete this page are several. First, it does not match with the article on the whistle register (which I highly revised recently). I am a vocal pedagogist with a Bachelors in Vocal Music Education and currently in my second year of graduate studies in vocal pedagogy and I assure you that not only am I well informed in this area, I used the very best resources in developing the article on the whistle register. The issue I have with the category whistle register singers is an issue of notability. Unlike what this category suggests, the abbility to sing in the whistle register is quite common, just like the use of falsetto in the male voice is quite common. So really there is no reason to have a category for this ability when most human beings can do it, albight with varying degrees of skill and talent. Certainly all female opera singers and some rare men (countertenors) vocalise up into the whistle register as part of vocal development. Outside of coloratura soprano roles their is little call for use of the whistle register in opera but it is still a necessary part of developing the soprano voice of any vocal type. Furthermore, there are so many coloratura sopranos in the world, that you could have a category page just for them. Also, this category presents misleading ideas about the whistle register, as there is some overlap between the head register and the whistle register. Not all voices use "whistle tone" between "high C" (C6) and "high F" (F6). Thanks for listening and I would appriciate your advice on how best to proceed.Nrswanson (talk) 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
The link to the category is at the bottom of your page.Nrswanson (talk) 05:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it is permitted to nominated something for deletion a second time, especially if you think that there's an important argument that wasn't addressed in the first discussion. I don't know enough about vocal music to know if your argument is reasonable or not, but the rules do permit a second CfD if you think there's something important that was missed in the previous one. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I thought that our talk pages got mixed up. That is the sort of thing that normally happens here! lol. Ariel♥Gold 13:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm at school right now, and so I can't actually read the article on Penis. Does it really say that every male has one? That doesn't seem accurate; surely those people who, through birth defect, surgery, or accident, lose their penises, don't cease to be male? I do have a sudden urge to go through every biography and add, 'He/she is a mammal.' -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, there was that one gentleman, I forget his name, Joey something? (Ahh, here it is) I wonder what classification he would now be in. And, as Alison so eloquently pointed out, not all men do have one. I just thought that you'd get a kick out of that, maybe you're rubbing off on me, lol. On a side note, I got a chuckle out of this earlier. Ariel♥Gold 14:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
They're assuming that all editors are male. I've restored the other version of my userpage; good thing I saved it, yes? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Can I edit your userpage so all the links look the same, whether they are wiki links, or offsite links? :D Ariel♥Gold 14:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
You can do that? Ooo, show me how! I mean, yeah, if you want to, that would be okay. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
...or there's Jamie Lee Curtis(insert person who actually has it), who, while technically XY, she's actually a he; but, due to androgen insensitivity syndrome, he's a she. You see, she's a he without a pee-pee. --slakr\ talk / 14:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, so apparently Jamie Lee Curtis is just rumored to. It doesn't help that people who aren't bio nerds mislabel "hermaphrodite" and "AIS," thereby making Google searchifimacation™ difficult. :D --slakr\ talk / 14:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
If Jodie is a man... this lesbian is willing to take her anyway. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you had temporarily gone back to the girlie color scheme, and then reverted, how about if I do both things, the new link style, and give you a softer color? If you hate it, you can revert it and I'll just do the links. :) Ariel♥Gold 05:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I vandalized your userpage/talk page! ~*Giggle*~ I hope you like it. I think it is a nice muted version of the "Girlie" scheme you had, and I did go ahead and put it here as well to match, if you hate it, of course you have that rollback button you can use, and it won't bother me. Another choice would be to have the formatting in a subpage, that would allow you to change from one to the other, via transclusion, so you could actually have a shell pink scheme, green, blue, multiple colors you could change to. Then all you do is change the page title that is transcluded here. Just an idea, of course. Let me know what you think! Ariel♥Gold 05:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I think the girlie style is hilarious. But I would only use it to make the joke; all that pink all the time would, I think, give me hives. As to that other thing you said... um... that would be neat, I guess, though I don't know how often I'd actual use it. It's early in the morning, and my furnace is broken again. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Ewww broken furnace is not good! I have a little portable ceramic heater I use mostly, those come in quite handy! If you don't like the pink, hey no biggie, just thought it was cute. :) Ariel♥Gold 12:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
It is cute. I actually even like it, and I totally like this variation you've done, which is easier on the eyes than the brighter one. I just think the green suits me better, except when I want to revert to the pink to point out to the vandals that it is actually possible to be a girl and still edit. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
(Wehberf (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC))Thank you FisherQueen for the advice on the hangon tag. I have properly sourced the document with independent references to Inc Magazine and the Philadelphia Inquirer, is it possible to remove the deletion tag now? I have pleaded my case here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Extol_International
The discussion isn't quite finished yet, and you'll want to give users a chance to weigh in on the sources you've added. AfD discussions often last the full week before being closed by an uninvolved admin; your new sources help, but they aren't so strong that they make a keep decision certain. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I see that you deleted Fort McCulloch as violating CSD G12, which is well and good. But also see that removed links to it elsewhere (specifically List of Registered Historic Places in Oklahoma). Should this be done? I can understand de-linking articles deleted for some of the other speedy criteria, such as A7, but G12 really makes no assumptions about whether or not an article on the topic should exist. In fact the existence of a text to plagiarize may be an indication that the subject is more likely to clear WP:V, not less. Dsmdgold (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, Twinkle removes those redlinks automatically; sometimes it's useful and sometimes it isn't. I have students arriving in about two seconds, but feel free to revert me on those. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I suspected as much, perhaps I will bring it up with the people who wrote Twinkle. I have already restored the links. Teach well, and have a nice day. Dsmdgold (talk) 17:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
but i seem to have found another sockpuppet of user:christian07TARDIS about here. put a notice on my page if you need anyting. i may be wrong, i may be right, but i may need to keep a close eye on him--Teenage wikian (talk) 13:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure that I see the connection, but several people who know this user better than I do watch this page and will be better able to evaluate. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
cheers, i just noticed him blanking his talk page, just like claxson was doing--Teenage wikian (talk) 11:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Okies, I too generally list reason for editing after making the change but in Delhi page's case I thought it was not necessary as both the terms are used to refer to the same region.
-Manik (talk) 22:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The article has been protected due to a content dispute, with (naturally) the wrong version in place. There are two differing POvs on the article, but requests to have the NPOV disputed tag placed on the article have been met with words like "silly" and "ridiculous". I'd appreciate it if you could check out the discussion and add the tag if you think it is warranted. Jeffpw (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
After reading the discussion, I do not have a strong opinion in the matter, except that this is the lamest edit-war I've seen since the great Cow tipping photo caption wars. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree it is lame. But do you feel the tag should be put in place or not? Jeffpw (talk) 22:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
"Hi! I hope that you are devoured by a colony of seals! Hee hee!"
A rather unpleasant vand edit to your userpage led to a block for someone to whom civility (per their unblock request) appears to mean "not using sick threats involving screwdrivers more than once in every two sentences". You've probably looked at the relevant edit histories. However the bit about filling a sack with swallows did inspire me to create an alternate account, so hi from Sackful of swallows (talk) I must cut down on those AGF tablets, they're giving me a quite Pollyanna view of the Universe. Sackful of swallows (talk) 01:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
"I hope this message gives you AIDS." That's one heck of a charming sentiment... and I probably wouldn't have even noticed those unblock requests if you hadn't pointed it out. Well, it's a lovely sockpuppet. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Gee, I read those unblock requests. Why is he still blocked? Does nobody in this place assume good faith anymore?? This guy is definite admin material, and now he has a block on his record because some people always think the worst. And this at the holidays. :-( I'm sad now. Jeffpw (talk) 09:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I would have unblocked him, but since I'm involved, I didn't want to be accused of a conflict of interest. I too am shocked that someone with such an elegant prose style would be indefinitely blocked so harshly, just because he made one of the most common n00b mistakes. Poor kid. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
<unsnark> I considered just blinding myself so I wouldn't have to read it all, but I'm glad Tony was so charmed by the sack of swallows bit. Acroterion(talk) 13:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
but what if she didn't see it yet —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brawlerstatus (talk • contribs) 16:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate your desire to make a big gesture, but vandalising Wikipedia isn't the right way to propose to your girlfriend. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
she wouldve thought it was cute... i bet she wouldve said yet if she had seen it. now i have to think of a new nerdy way to propose... maybe something to do with LED lights... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brawlerstatus (talk • contribs) 17:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
In general, you shouldn't propose until you're confident that her answer is yes. And then, you won't need a fancy schtick; you can just ask her. If she doesn't ask you first. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
i have a crippling fear of rejection and the internet is the only place i feel truly comfortable. this is a big step. we've been dating for 3 and a half years. we both love wikipedia and use it for everything and i just thought that this would be cute and also allow me to do it on the internet without instant messaging her on AIM. then we could tell everyone a cute story about how we got married.
If you both use Wiki, that makes it easy- just put together a cool graphic proposal, and post it on her user talk page. Her little orange 'new messages' bar will appear, and she'll click on it to see your proposal. Squee! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thats kind of like using AIM though, plus she doesnt have an account she just really likes reading it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brawlerstatus (talk • contribs) 17:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The "marriage proposal in an article" thing has been done (or at least attempted) before, I'm afraid, with much the same results — a swift revert of the proposal. Brawlerstatus, why not try a nice bunch of roses? TonywaltonTalk 17:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Not to butt in to an intimate discussion, but you could also use a user subpage. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
she just called, she saw it. Brawlerstatus (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Inquiring minds want to know - what did she say?!? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, update us! More than a few people are watching this, lol. Ariel♥Gold 17:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
she said no... looks like you guys were right. she said if i had asked her in person she probably wouldve said yes, but after thinking about it for awhile, the way i did it was "childish" and "impersonal," and then something about that being a trend with me... guess wikipedia was a bad idea. i dont know what im gonna do nowBrawlerstatus (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Awwww. Try roses next time. TonywaltonTalk 17:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I should have known that storm clouds were on the horizon when he posted it to the page of a mass-murdering despot. Who knew? --slakr\ talk / 17:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting lots of Derbyshire articles. Did you know that a wikipedian was so keen to contibute that he stubbed his toe? Victuallers (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, does he have a reliable source? Is the town so dull that his stubbed toe was reported in the local paper? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Wishing you and yours the very best of the holiday season. May the coming year bring you peace, joy, health and happiness. God bless us, every one! Jeffpw (talk) 20:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
And I bet the page is now stuck at the wrong version. TonywaltonTalk 18:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
It's entirely possible. But then again, they both appear to be pushing a point of view, so we may just have a choice between two different wrong versions. It isn't as if the article is a model of neutrality aside from the disputed paragraph. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, dangit, I gave in and reviewed the sources, verified that they didn't say any such thing as what was in that paragraph, and took it down. Fine, all you edit-warring people, come to me to solve your content disputes, bring your religious wars in faraway lands to me, whatever. I'm going to hide in my bedroom and read HP Lovecraft for a few hours. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
You are welcome to defile your userpage or subpage with this UBX:
{{Userbox
|border-c=black
|border-s=1
|id-c=black
|info-c=darkgreen
|info-s=8
|info-fc=white
|id=[[Image:Cthulhu and R'lyeh.jpg|30px]]
|info=<center>'''This Wikipedian hails from [[R'lyeh|<span style="color: white;">R'lyeh</span>]]'''</center>
}}
Nowiki'd... formatting is blown for some reason due to your page configuration...--Isotope23talk 13:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh well... I don't really use userboxes anymore; they don't really go with my current layout. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Yep, I noticed! For some reason it was making the text wrap to the top outside your border... Maybe it was just Gloon the Corruptor wreaking havoc.--Isotope23talk 14:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Would you favor a merge to Jack Mormon? We could probably just add a sentence into the Jack article, and then redirect Jill there. GlassCobra 21:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
♪ ♫ ♪ Jack and Jill, went up the hill, to fetch a pail of water... ♪ ♫ (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Ariel♥Gold 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it a real thing? I thought it was something the creator had made up; if it's a real thing, a merge seems reasonable. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
"Merge" meaning "delete and redir", pretty much. Jack Mormon is already gender-neutral in its lead-in paragraph. NyarlahotelTalk 23:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Right, all done. Thanks all. :) GlassCobra 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Do you remember the name of the user who caused a big ol' wikiscandal 'cause they claimed expertise they didn't have? It was huge, I read large swaths of the RFC. I think it was a he, I think he claimed an MA in divinities or Catholic history or something, and I think they were big in Wikipedia, like, involved in the running of the foundation/hired by Jimbo/something else important. I'm having a discussion with an editor who keeps pointing to his credentials, and I'm trying to convince them that this will not be looked well upon by his more experienced peers. Is there an essay somewhere? Thanks, you're the coolest, I've got a huge crush on your user page. Feel free to praise me. WLU (talk) 14:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Bingo! You're the best Ariel, I've now got a crush on your user page too. Sorry Isotope... WLU (talk) 14:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee, no problem. Ariel♥Gold 15:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome to tell your new friend that I said this: Credentials are irrelevent. We always cite reliable sources to verify the accuracy of our information, and we don't take one another's word for things, so credentials don't mean a thing. I have several degrees in English (although my userpage doesn't say so), but if I can't provide the sources to show that what I'm saying is true, and the dude who disagrees with me can, then if he's a junior high school student, a janitor, or even a Republican, his information is still what goes in the article. Who we are doesn't matter, what matters is what we can verify. Of course, he's welcome to talk about his credentials, but they're as irrelevant as talking about his favorite cheese or the color of his socks; all that matters is that his view is verifiable. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
My socks are dark red, with little flowers on them. I like a nice, aged cheddar cheese. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I've now got a crush on your socks. They sound lovely. I've pointed the editor in question to this page, so you may get more comments. He seems a bit noobish, though if his qualifications are for real he could be a very valuable contributor to the page in question (Aquatic ape hypothesis). Which is an enormous mess by the way. Blech. I hate speculative anthropology, the sources are ever problematic. Why couldn't I choose to edit something non-controversial, like Conservapedia, Tension myositis syndrome, or Abortion?
Tsk, republican. Did you have to take it somewhere ugly FQ? Children can read wikipedia you know. WLU (talk) 15:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
If I were in Willy-Wonka land, I'd just be able to reach into the screen, eat the cheese and wear the socks. But it's 2007 and we don't even have flying cars. Sigh. WLU (talk) 15:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
You don't have a flying car? Are you, like, Amish or something? I thought everybody had a flying car. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
{{cheeseblock}} TonywaltonTalk 15:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
{{cheeseunblock|I'm innocent! It was Ariel!}}-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
{{cheeseblock accepted}} with a couple of sticks of celery and some nice cream crackers. TonywaltonTalk 15:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
~*Ariel whispers to FQ: "Good job! They fell for it!" *~ Ariel♥Gold 15:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
<undent>You guys are weird (and apparently have flying cars). WLU (talk) 16:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, my tone there was after reading the user's edit history and previous unblock requests. Probably not totally civil, but this is a guy clearly interested in wearing out the community's patience. Daniel Case (talk) 16:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I was right there with you. The only reason that I wasn't the first to call him... was it 'congenitally incapable of getting a clue?'... was that I'd already rejected a previous unblock request, and figured that it was someone else's turn this time. But you can keep the kittens. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I caught sight of this even though I'm on a long Wikibreak right now - I'd suggest that he's a sock rather than the one he listed. The one he listed seems totally different, whereas Teenage's edits have been entirely contacting me, you and one edit to a Doctor Who article. His spelling is similar, and how could he know about Claxson etc since he's only been here for such a short time? I'm still keeping away, though, so it's up to you - I'm thinking a possible WP:RFCU is in order now, but I'll leave the call to you if I may. I'll watch this talkpage for a reply! --Porcupine
Hmm. What does the peanut gallery think? Does User:Teenage wikian = User:Claxson? I can see the similarities, and certainly Teenage is a sockpuppet of somebody, since they've jumped right in with a lot of prior knowledge. I'm inclined to think the spiky rodent here might be right. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I have just had a look at this situation and I have to say that I am amazed at the stance to you have taken with regards to this.
R. friend was in conflict with Domer48 and then R. friend revert to "his version" and blocks Domer48 without warning or an official report or without anything said to any of the editors on "his side". Surely this is not the correct procedure that an admin in conflict with another editor should take.
Domer48 should be unblocked, R. friend should have a sever wrap across the knuckles and then if needed an official report should be filed to determine if any blocks are warranted. I hope you have time to look at this situation with a fresh pair of eyes as it seems pretty unjust to me. regards--Vintagekits (talk) 17:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm open to the possibility that I was wrong; User:Domer48 appeared to be in violation of 3RR. Wasn't he? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I wouldnt disagree with it and he possibly was - but no evidence was shown to prove this and R. friend gave no warning and made no report and as I side was in conflict with Domer48 at the time. That is not what an admin should do and that is not how an admin should go about abusing his/her powers. Was he blocked for 3RR or edit warring - its seems that that is not been made clear and that the goal posts are being moved to ensure a goal is scored (at Domers expense). regards --Vintagekits (talk) 17:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
If he was in violation of WP:3RR, then there's no cause for unblocking, even if the admin was wrong. If you think that the admin acted inappropriately and something should be done about it, you're welcome to file a report at An/I, but everyone has an obligation to avoid edit-warring, no matter what. Maybe someone else will feel differently, but I'm not seeing a reason to unblock someone who was edit-warring. Warnings and reports aren't required for 3RR, and I'm not sure why Domer thinks they are. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Where is the evidence for the breach of 3RR - R. friend provided none - he was in direct conflict with Domer48 and then blocked him - if you think he acted correctly and you are with his actions then I will leave it here - if not then do something about it. kind regards--Vintagekits (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm completely confused. As I said and you agreed, the blocked user was edit-warring. So undoing another admin's actions in this case would be inappropriate wheel-warring, and just as bad as edit-warring, and User:Isotope23 might quite rightly block me for it. Also, what are the Basques doing in this Ireland-related edit war? And why is it a bad thing for an organization to be labelled as Basque? And would Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama be more deserving of my vote in the Democratic primaries? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The issue isnt Basque or Irish, I am talking about the actions of this admin. I dont see evidence of either edit warring or 3rr! Did R friend provide it? I have seen evidence of Domer48 using the talk pages - that kind of put the edit warring acqusation on shakey legs. Finally what is the point of the "unblock request" system if when the reviewer comes along, see it is wrong but wont undo it because of "inappropriate wheel-warring" - that makes about as much sense as the initial block!--Vintagekits (talk) 18:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
And if nobody else already has FQ, let me be the first to welcome you to one of the other areas of Wikipedia where intelligence and common sense have taken a holiday, just like at the powderkeg.--Isotope23talk 18:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
But what do The Troubles have to do with the Basques? Like the Balkans, the whole area leaves me going, 'huh?' -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I got interrupted mid-comment and that got completely malformed... it should have read something like: "...one of the other areas of Wikipedia where intelligence and common sense have taken a holiday, just like at the powderkeg, and the Troubles..." --Isotope23talk 18:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh...and as for the relationship, apparently OSF is supporting the Basque separatist group SEGI... and several editors felt the need to edit war over what level of coverage this should get in the SEGI article. Lame.--Isotope23talk 18:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
All well and good, now what are you going to do about the actions of R. friend.--Vintagekits (talk) 19:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Didn't I already say? Nothing. I'm not the boss of him. If you want to bring a report to AN/I, make sure you include what specific action you'd like the community to take. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
You made it your job when you refused the unblock request - either your an admin or not! you cant have your cake and eat it. This sherking of responsibility comes across as spineless.--Vintagekits (talk) 19:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Huh? No admin is ever required to take action. And it isn't part of an admin's job to police all the other admins. That's why I don't have a button that strips admins of their powers. And my declining the unblock request isn't a sign that I agree the blocking admin should be disciplined in some way, even if I had the power or authority to do that, which I don't. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
So let me get this straight - you are agreeing that R. friend should have blocked Domer48?--Vintagekits (talk) 19:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
What is it, exactly, that you are asking me to do? I have already told you that I am not willing to unblock Domer48, because he was edit-warring. I have already told you that I do not have the power or the authority to judge R. friend. And I've already told you where you can present your concerns to the community. Is there something else that you are asking me to do? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
←I don't quite follow this, Vintagekits. An editor is blocked. They ask for an unblock. It is declined. They ask again. It is declined again (by FQ, this time). In both cases edit warring is cited as the reason for declination. You, agree above that the blocked editor "may have been" edit warring. And now you demand that FQ, who by declining the block unblock indicated agreement with the blocking admin, "does something about the block", adding that not doing so is "spineless". Please, calm down. Take five minutes to review WP:CIV and then take this to AN/I if you still think that action's merited. TonywaltonTalk 19:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
You think you're confused? Check out User talk:Domer48, where the blocked user proudly proclaims that a series of diffs that show him reverting four times in 24 hours has proven him innocent of edit-warring, and makes it clear that the problem is corrupt administrators. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I was going to comment at his userpage, but I figured at this point it wouldn't have any helpful effect. There was edit warring at Segi. R.Fiend probably should not have been the on to block. There were others edit warring who perhaps should have been blocked. At this point though I don't see a case for unblocking Domer48 as the editor doesn't seem to appreciate that they were in the wrong as much as anyone else; if he is waiting for an absolution he can sit out the 24 hours.--Isotope23talk 20:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
What's the point of trying to help? He appears to not believe in WP:3RR, kind of in the same way that I don't believe in fairies. At least, from his talk page, he seems to have a profound failure to understand what edit-warring is or why he shouldn't do it. Those who cannot learn from their mistakes are doomed to waste a lot of people's time, then eventually get indefinitely blocked when the community joins together to decide their patience are exhausted. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
FQ, I've stepped away to get a bit of perspective, obviously if any of my comment appeared harsh then I apologies, I am sure you are just doing your job. My issue really is that R. friend, 1. appears to be editting in a POV manner, then 2. he encounters an editor with a differing POV he blocks him yet ignores those who agree with his POV.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you're feeling more relaxed. I don't necessarily disagree with you; I just don't have the authority to do anything about it, since Wikipedia works by consensus, not by individual decision. WP:ANI really is the place where you can explain to the community of administrators what you think is wrong, and what you think should be done about it, and they really do look at things pretty fairly. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Cool, I will do that as soon as Domer's back in the game as I would like him to be able to have his say.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
To butt in again, good to see you took some time out to chill, Vintagekits - often the best path when things start becoming over-dramatic (that's interesting... [[WP:DRAMA]] actually redirects to WP:AN/I! I'd never noticed that). For what it's worth I don't entirely disagree with you either, but even if there was a "wrong" in the original block (and I'm not passing judgement) two wrongs don't make a right, and unblocking would just have been another "wrong". Let's keep our eye on the goal here - we're trying to write an encyclopædia. Cheers, TonywaltonTalk 23:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I doubt you do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.46.232 (talk) 21:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
What on earth would anyone do with more than five friends? Your standards of friendship must be very low. I have a feeling that the people you call 'friends,' I would call 'acquaintances' or 'classmates.' -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I suppose you don't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.46.232 (talk) 23:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing I can say to this user more cutting than what his own timestamp says... that it took him two hours and sixteen minutes to come up with that cutting insult. Imagine what he could do if he had a week. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah - but he probably didn't think of it himself. He went and asked each of his large circle of friends for advice. Probably threw a "let's insult FQ" party, with a small buffet. And fizzy drinks. TonywaltonTalk 23:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
With little umbrellas in them!?!? Where's my invite? Tom didn't say anything to me about it :( -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi FQ, could I ask a favour? I'm involved in yet another dispute with another editor, d'you think my comments here, removed here and the last two sections here (barring the 'shit' comments, but I was frustrated) are/were out of line? I ask for my own elucidation, I think I've actually improved on AGF and CIVIL. Um, except for this one 'incident'. I bow before your wisdom. And socks. WLU (talk) 11:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
There's also this; I don't care, and I've pointed out WP:UP, what not to put, to FP. It's hardly a personal attack, but it does point to taking things a bit too personally in my mind. WLU (talk) 12:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Ugh. No, I don't think your comments are too far wrong, though I wouldn't bother following him to other people's talk pages, as it'll make him feel stalked. Looks like he's trying to turn this into a battle of his worth as a person vs yours, while your job is to stay focused on the actual article and the sources. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
True, I left the message on Cap'n's page for Cap'ns benefit and deliberately kept it short, and I'm leaving it at this. Since they're not editing the main page at all and seems to miss the point of V and RS, there's not much point in communicating further. Methinks I gave 'em enough rope, and they hung themselves; thanks for the feedback, it's appreciated. WLU (talk) 12:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Umm what is wrong with Chad is also a kid which is currently attending GMHS. He is friens with Glen, Nick, and Ryan and several other people but these were the most notable. Many people see him as quite a attractive kid. He is in the Green Mountain High School Band and is pretty much amazing at music. Recently Chad moved to Colorado from Pepsi Present The Democratic Republic Of The Congo. Upon his arrival he brought new ideas with him to The United States of America; things like a stringed instrument which he later code named the guitar. Chad lived with a kid named Tanner in Congo where they found a guy named Jesus who later they killed to achieve his skills in the guitar. They moved to the USA and met a guy named Christian Rodriguez who said that he learned guitar by killing Herman Li (Dragonforce) and eating his heart. Chad recently converted to zomgithmilian and became a priest at the local church. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yikchad (talk • contribs) 23:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Damn, Ariel beat me to it! :P GlassCobra 00:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
With all apologies to Jello Biafra:
Chad is the -OM Chad is revolution Chad is the tapeworm In the bottle of cheap tequila That comes alive at night And sneaks up And bites your nipple Isotope23talk 13:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Chad's tears cure cancer, but the saddest thing is that Chad has never cried... I don't even know what you're making fun of :( It's like being in high school again, all the cool kids are laughing and I'm not sure why. WLU (talk) 17:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
It is well known in australia that Phil is gay. It is on the bruce and phil website. Please do not remove edits without investigating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philmanskkjaaaw (talk • contribs) 23:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Could you link to the specific section of that website where it says that Phil is gay? I did look, and did not see it. Please don't restore the edit until after we've established its accuracy; feel free to use the article talk page to discuss. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
...beyond any questions of verifiability, it is really a terribly important distinction to make in the article which sex he fancies?--Isotope23talk 14:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Also, all non-straight people must get the mandatory facial tattoo that explains who they fancy. This will be easier, of course, on those who get the "gay" tattoo than on those who have to get the tattoo saying "bisexual sadomasochistic bottom bear-fancying foot-fetishist with occasional crossdressing tendencies," but that's a price we're all willing for them to pay. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, that could make my Mayor McCheese tattoo become suddenly as potentially embarrassing as one of Dumbledorf...--Isotope23talk 18:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
In all seriousness people, that mandatory facial tatoo would be helpful in the campaign to prevent friends of gays from editing wikipedia. If we can confirm that Phil is gay, then we can initiate immediate blocks against all of his friends' ISP addresses. Vandalism would drop like a stone... WLU (talk) 17:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I EC'd you on the unblock request at User talk:71.101.1.215. I was actually going to grant the request since I believe the IP's contributions today are:
(edits from recent days have been the same sort of thing, most likely a clumsy, slightly misguided attempt to update infoboxes with ages...)
Frankly, I think a {{test1}} warning would have been more appropriate than a 48hr block, editor's youth notwithstanding, especially since the last serious warning was over a month ago. What do you think? — Scientizzle 00:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
That's fine. I was responding in part to the long string of warnings that IP has received, but taking a closer look, I see that you're right, and I won't be cranky if you unblock. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, FQ. I'll unblock, and leave a friendly notice about how one might learn to better contribute. Cheers, — Scientizzle 16:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
"Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages, such as ToadsCastle, to Wikipedia. Doing so is not in accordance with our policies. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read Your first article. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)"
How is ToadsCastle an inappropriate article? The TC Man (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
As the note on your talk page explains, this article appears to be, not an encyclopedia article, but an advertisement for a web site which does not meet Wikipedia's notablity criteria. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to make a ToadsCastle wiki? I'll admit it is kind of an advertisment article, but there is a hacker on the site that is threatning to destroy it and we really need help, he is a lunatic, here is the link http://www.toadscastle.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8519 we really need help... The TC Man (talk) 16:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any way that an encyclopedia article about this web site would solve any problems that web site is having on its forums, but if you are the site owner, you have a conflict of interest which makes it doubly inappropriate for you to create an article about it. Remember that this is an international encyclopedia; it isn't simply free web space. Since there's no evidence that this subject meets the notability criteria, Wikipedia doesn't need an article about it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually i'm not the owner, Wikipedians are smart and very complicated I honestly kind of thought i was breaking the rules, This is my second wikipedia account, i have a vendetta with hackers, I don't know if this will help motivate you or anyone else to do anything or not but I am Bloddyfriday. Here is the password as proof, JASON - all caps. I had it banned because it got hacked. So I am high contributer to Wikipedia, hopefully this will urge someone to help us. The TC Man (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't really care if anyone gets on it i left a message on the account that the password is on you userpage. Nothing can be done with it anyways. A hacker hacked it and was making vandal account off of it.The TC Man (talk) 16:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
It isn't really 'hacking' when some user makes threats on a forum, or when you use a password that's easy for any of your friends to guess. Those things don't require any particular skill with a computer. And Wikipedia really is quite difficult to hack. Hacking requires a great deal of high-level computer skills, not just the ability to type or to guess passwords until one hits the right one. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I page protected the usertalk. There is nothing that can be done with that account now...--Isotope23talk 17:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I mean it. I know I look like a dork. I was scared to death. Jeffpw (talk) 18:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I suspect everyone on this site looks like a dork in pictures... and that would only be exacerbated by the stress of standing up there getting married. I've been to quite a few weddings; the "deer-in-the-headlights" look is up there with the "dopey grin" for most common expressions...
Kidding aside, it is actually a quite nice picture.--Isotope23talk 19:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations, Jeff! Ariel♥Gold 19:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, both! I'm actually an old married lady now (some would uncharitably describe me as matronly, I suppose), but I was young and spry at the time, and still feel like a newlywed! Jeffpw (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
What a sweet picture... but are you the handsome taller man, or the handsome shorter man? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, FQ! I'm the little one...the one with the "deer in the headlights" look on his face. Jeffpw (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Your husband's a hottie... but I'm guessing that you'd already noticed that. Oh, and you're not bad either, though I'm guessing you don't always look quite so much like a stunned bunny. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow, you made both our nights! I read your message to Isäac and he burst out laughing. Neither of us hear that so often these days. I think he's still a stunner, though. I've always been a sucker for those Nordic types. Jeffpw (talk) 21:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Wait a minute... does this mean that you're Dutch? Because my crazy fantasy involves giving up on this crazy country of mine, learning Dutch, and emigrating to the Netherlands. I visited there for a week once, and it was so pretty and friendly. Good food, too. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
That's your crazy fantasy? Nothing about turkey feathers or bicycle chains? Ho-hum! =) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, FisherQueen, I'm Dutch. More accurately, half Dutch, half American. That said, my American passport expired in 2005 and I haven't renewed it. I haven't been to the States in many years, and I hate going to Fortress America to renew my documents (lines, double iron fences, searches, etc). You want me to find you a nice Dutch lesbian to help you immigrate? :-P Jeffpw (talk) 09:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Let me get back to you after the next election. If we have another Republican president coming in, I'm taking you up on that offer. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I've only been to the Netherlands once, but the thing that struck me was how nice people there were. I visited a couple other countries (where my ancestry lies) during the same trip and walked away from them rather awestruck at how the countries of my ethnic ancestry are apparently full of arseholes (or I at least encountered a disproportionate number of rude people). The Dutch though were very, very cool and accommodating to a North American who speaks only the most rudimentary Dutch. It's probably one of the very few other countries I could ever live in... though I don't think I'd ever get used to the corrugated metal "outhouses" in Amsterdam.--Isotope23talk 13:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
nice job proding Leafpool. Just so you know if they contest the prod it may fall under recreation of deleted material. I know almost every Warriors article just went through AFD in the last 2 months. Not sure if this character was one of them though. Ridernyc (talk) 05:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't even figure out what the article is about. A video game character? Some online gamer's character? A schizophrenic's imaginary friend? I have zero clue, and the article isn't exactly useful. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Character from a book series. I swear I deleted a dozen of these articles about a year ago (that were completely context free) before I realized what the articles were about.--Isotope23talk 14:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
yeah it's some series of books about cats that have fantasy adventures or something. We deleted a ton of articles in the past few months. There have a huge online fanbase and at one point we had about 6-7 meat puppets in one of the debates. Ridernyc (talk) 17:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
"nasty, big, pointy teeth!"
Those cats would get a beatdown if they ever ran into those Watership Down rabbits...--Isotope23talk 18:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I've started a discussion about unblocking Callmebc, per a discussion I've had via email with him. There's a thread here which you, as an involved admin, might want some input in. --Haemo (talk) 08:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Meh. I confess to some skepticism that he'll be able to work collaboratively, but what would Christmas be without a little grace? Maybe he'll prove me wrong... and if he doesn't, I'm guessing there are at least five admins who will be watching his every move to stop him if there's a problem. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I know it is not a rabbit with a waffle on its head, but this hamster wants to wish you Happy Holidays!
I would like to give you this token, in my appreciation of your wonderful, amazing sense of humor, that has kept me laughing and smiling nearly daily for many months now. I hope that your coming week is filled with joy, laughter, family, friends, good food and happy days. ~*Big Ariel Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 12:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the lovely hamster! I think he's a wonderful present, and I'm sure he will be delicious. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
That's nice, but you still need to stop vandalizing. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind stop editing my Dan Hochbum edits? He is not a winner of any competition, it is falsified information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickdryslewski (talk • contribs)
FISHERQUEEN WE ALL GO TO PLYMOUTH WHITEMARSH HOP OFF FOR REAL, WE'RE HAVING FUN NOTHING EVER HAPPENS HERE AND NOBODY IS GETTING ANGRY ABOUT IT SO JUST STOP DAMN IT!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Znick129 (talk • contribs)
I hate to point this out, but has it occured to you boys that you are probably violating your school's rules for the use of school internet access, that the school wouldn't appreciate the article about it being vandalized, and that I have your real names and the email address of your principal? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)}}
Not that she'd do anything with them, this being Christmas and all. :-P But here's a suggestion: Why not create a real account, try editing to make things here better for everyone who comes and wants to learn about stuff, and make that you Christmas present to the world? That would be really nice. Jeffpw (talk) 14:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Sure I'd use them. Remember the time when I emailed that kid's mom? That was really funny. For me, anyway. But if they aren't vandalizing any more, I guess I won't bother. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey! I remember when you emailed that kid's mom! In fact... now that I think about it, I think it was because I came to you for help with something, lol. Does that make me a snitch? Ariel♥Gold 14:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes... yes it does. That totally brings to mind a story of something that happened here which I unfortunately don't think I can tell publicly. Oh well.--Isotope23talk 14:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) You ... you e-mailed a kid's mom!? You're hard-core, FQ! -- Merope 17:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Might I ask what you considered to be 'over the line'? Before you answer that, please consider that his accusing me of laziness and OWNership in less than 24 hours don't really seem to be all that conducive to me politely mincing words for his benefit. - Arcayne(cast a spell) 17:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
This was a nifty little comment, too. Accusing an editor of drunkenness, especially one who is in recovery, seems a bit ...hmmm...harsh, particularly with the happiest day of the year approaching. :-( Jeffpw (talk) 17:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that you are a recovering alcoholic. Not knowing that, and taking into consideration your altruistic commentary about the holidays, perhaps it is not unseemly to expect a bit more in the way of politeness from you. Calling em lazy and accusing me of OWNership doesn't seem to fit within your claim of being the innocent here. - Arcayne(cast a spell) 17:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Way back in July you deleated 5Rhythms as not notable[5]. I wonder if you could reconsider, 5 Rhythms has become an international movement with extensive networks of tutors, most major cities in the UK have classes. Its also been the subject of academic research:
Cook, S., Ledger, K., Scott, N. (2003) ‘Women’s experience of 5 Rhythms dance and the effects on their emotional wellbeing’ (Book) Pubs U.K. Advocacy Network, Sheffield[6]
Pract Midwife. 2007 Mar;10(3):20, 22-3. The ecstasy of spirit: five rhythms for healing. Henley-Einion A. University of the West of England.
Cheers --Salix alba (talk) 18:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
OK An editor has asked for a deletion review of 5Rhythms. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Salix alba (talk) 22:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Please I read your message but I do not understand. Why you delete something and it goes red, but I not can do that? What do you mean notability? And how do I find the Talk PAges. You think just because his a Black Man he must advertise himself on the EnCyclopEdia? I want to know what is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DohgonCarbon (talk • contribs)
You can not copy from somewhere else to create a page. I can delete pages because I am an administrator, you cannot delete pages because you are not an administrator. This is the talk page, just like your talk page where you receive messages. I have no way of knowing what someone's race is on Wikipedia, because I cannot see him. Here are the notability criteria for you to read; I do not think that the subjects you are trying to create articles about meet them. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I may well be accused of a violation of WP:BITE for my last comment to you, and if I'm blocked for it, I will accept it gracefully, because after reviewing your web site, I believe that you are a reprehensible human being. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd back you up completely on this one, FQ; I think you did a great job of staying as civil as you could under the circumstances. GlassCobra 17:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear Mrs. Fisher Queen, I am fascinating to have been the witness of the dramatical improving of Mr. DohgonCarbon's grammitical locutions in your interacting of his user talk page. In fact, his language skills improved a thousandfold after you bit him on his newbie ass. Is this how you teach English at your school? You should patent this method of teaching. Illiteracy will be a thing of the past with you in charge. Jeffpw (talk) 18:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't use that technique very often at school; it has been effective once or twice. I was truly appalled to read on his web page that he was successfully treating Alzheimer's disease; teaching fringe beliefs is one thing, but actually preying on real sick people is so awful that I'm just deeply angry just looking at his unblock requests. I hadn't noticed, but you're right; his limited English suddenly developed into completely understandable English, and he leaped from being unable to find a talk page to correctly formatting diffs, as well. Strange, that. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, my God! I read his message to me on his talk page more closely, and realized that the phrase 'diseases caused by sin' is indicating that if you get Alzheimers, it's because you did something to deserve it! Jesus! I'm... I'm speechless with the awfulness of it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Yay! Festive! (and sorry for replying on the card template, instead of my talk page. That was a neat trick I haven't seen before... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I figured out where we did cross paths before: [7]. It was you not objecting to me unblocking someone you haven't blocked. :-) — Coren(talk) 18:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I just placed that exact message on your talk page at the exact same time. Eeeeerie. Maybe there is some great cosmic plan after all. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I didn't block him? I'd forgotten; I block so many people. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I had then misread the block log. But of course you block lots of people— that's what the cabal is for, isn't it? — Coren(talk) 18:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
The funny thing is... well, now we know each other, thanks to the crazy man accusing us of knowing each other. Isn't it beautiful, how the great conspiracy brings us all closer together. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you check to see if this works on your PC?[edit]
I see an old man with a holly wreath on his head, looking rather jolly, and an article about traditional English depictions of Father Christmas. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Works fine for me as well. Ariel♥Gold 19:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Can I just reinforce that I am absolutely not doing anything that would result in the bitterly disputed Santa Claus article getting added to my watchlist? Because that is one pit of jolly jingle-bell ringing abominations that I am not setting even one toe in. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Who ever thought the Santa article could turn into such a bitter pit of vituperation? Whoever thought anyone would want to murder Santa Claus? I am certain several editors are getting nothing but sticks and coal this year...which is probably gilding the lily, now that I think of it. Jeffpw (talk) 19:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
to Fisher Queen, re: your comments about my Church of Christ edits: you apparently are not very familiar with what the Church of Christ is about, although you claim to have once been a member. Furthermore, I highly doubt as an English teacher your church history or Bible scholarship is quite at the level of mine. So, I suggest you tend to other articles such as diagraming sentences and leave the church history and Bible edits to people such as me. Merry Christmas :o) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.4.68.108 (talk) 05:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Great! I'll assume, then that you do have three reliable sources independent of the Church of Christ that confirm that the group has existed since the first century continuously to today, and that you're about to post those three sources on the article's talk page for the community to discuss. I'll enjoy reading them; I always enjoy learning new things. By the way, at Wikipedia, credentials don't count for anything at all; all that matters is what we can cite. I'm sure that, as a scholar, you are well aware of the importance of citing your sources, and can do so with great skill. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Might want it to be upped to indef as a new user (yes, he did contribute in August last year, but still) trolling and disrupting... Will(talk) 17:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
You're probably right; I figured that I would keep an eye on his contribs when his block expires, with my finger poised on that block button if he jumps back in. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm leaving right now to enjoy Christmas with my family in the finest tradition of AmericanfundamentalistChristianity, complete with carol-singing, prayer, the exchanging of gifts, a feast, and way too many cousins. I won't be back until after the holiday. Merry Christmas to all! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Have an absolutely wonderful, joyous weekend, and holiday, FisherQueen! Travel safely, and be well! Ariel♥Gold 21:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! --Ungurul (talk) 19:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I just semi-protected it for twenty-four hours because there's been vandalism from a number of sources recently, and I'd suggest they are associated with each other, so it's quite clear that this user will keep on going regardless of whether the IP/accounts are blocked or not. Feel free to summarily reverse, remove, extend or shortern as you please :) Cheers, Daniel 23:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for looking out for me. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
FisherQueen, was your block of Aesculig a typical username block? --Iamunknown 04:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, a perfectly ordinary case of the username being the name of the business she was trying to promote. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
You are also a fagex. You probably play RuneShit in your bedroom you SAD LITTLE CHILD. AND STOP PUTTING THE IMAGES BACK I OWN THOSE ARTICLES YOU SAD SHIT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mertorri (talk • contribs)
Thank you for requesting a lengthy block! After discussing your application with our committee, we have decided that your request has been granted! Congratulations! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
My my, FQ. I had no idea. A "fagex", even. Will wonders never cease! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The funny thing is, I have no idea what the hell this vandal is talking about; I'm not the one who reverted his vandalism to assorted Runescape related articles, though I noticed on his talk page that he'd been warned for such vandalism. I wouldn't know this video game from PacMan; it really isn't my area of interest. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow, glad to see the block request department handles their paperwork so quickly! I got quite a chuckle out of this one. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me or are they being really annoying this week? Ridernyc (talk) 12:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
They're home on Christmas vacation, and bored. I guess they didn't get any new books for Christmas. I got Batman: The Dark Knight Returns for Christmas, myself, but can still enjoy vandalslapping over breakfast. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I got a book on the history of Ireleand, I'm already about 1/4 of the way through it. It's like bizzaro week. Everyone removing tags and templates, people making insane arguments in AFD. I've never seen some many people calling other people names in AFD, and I've never seen so many people saying SPEEDY DELETE for articles that are nowhere near meeting speedy criteria. Like you said I guess people are bored. Ridernyc (talk) 12:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I love that I have been doing this so long that I have no trouble recognizing an article about a non-notable band, even when it is written in a language I do not technically read. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I've learned vandalslapping well from you, FQ. Those little weasels are writing their apology for months of vandalising as we speak. Here was my letter of encouragement when they asked me what to write:
“
Don't be fucking obtuse. You are apologizing for taking up all of our valuable time, for destroying a free resource that is our gift to the world, and for your general miserable existence. You can do this on AN/I. Give up every name you have used, promise never to edit again, then stay the fuck away from the site and every user of it. I swear, if you don't do this I will rain fire on you through your school, and then piss all over you until the fire is put out. Have I made myself clear?
”
Think I was too subtle? Jeffpw (talk) 12:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid it should have been "I will rain fire on you." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Me, I think I would have gone with more of a cool, dispassionate tone, with fewer 'fucks,' but we all have our own writing style, don't we? I'm so impressed that you managed to identify their school and help guide them in the Right Way. Verily, thou hast 133t skillz. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I love this AFD [8] when I told him on his user page that his comments were 100% inappropriate he asked "What did I say that was 100% inappropriate?" Ridernyc (talk) 12:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I quite liked "I haven't made personal remarks about anyone I've just called people "idiots, imbeciles, buffoons and insolent twerps" and accused them of lacking brains." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
it's gotten worse because now he is teaming up with another user who has an ANI opened up on him. Everyone is idiots, what they do is important, you know nothing....Ridernyc (talk) 12:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
He probably thinks I am Dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde, as I have been so kind and sweet from day one to him (or them, since there are many kids who were suing the account). I am just hoping we can put this all behind us and start the new year by concentrating on building a better encyclopedia, instead of dealing with Sybil and her thousands of sock identities. Jeffpw (talk) 12:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I have e-mailed him and told him that he must identify who is involved. I've also threatened with an ISP abuse report and told him that if this doesn't end today then his parents will be informed as well via that abuse report. I don't care if I have to report 200.000 IP's to get that ball rolling - this crap ends today. He does seem rather nervous though - I take that as a good sign. EconomicsGuy (talk) 12:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Parents, huh? Good one, EG!!!!! I hadn't thought of that. A two pronged approach will probably reap additional benefits. They're writing their apology and say it should be on AN/I in just a few minutes, with a list of socks to be blocked. Let's hope we can mark this whole mess resolved today. Jeffpw (talk) 12:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
He he thanks!! Good job also to you! Make that very nervous... he just e-mailed again for assurance that I wouldn't contact anyone if he complies with the demands. EconomicsGuy (talk) 13:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
T y p i n g very s l o w l y because I'm on a &(%*^ dialup : ( I'll believe it when I see it (or stop seeing it). TonywaltonTalk 13:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
The appology (sic) is on AN/I now. Let's hope this is the end of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffpw (talk • contribs) 13:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
...is for all the editors who need to correct historicalwrongs but aren't able to clearly and calmly express themselves in English to go right those wrongs on the Wikis of their native languages. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Lord, I had no idea that the Albanian language was so controversial. I'd go through the diffs to see what the fuss is all about, but I have a feeling that to one outside of the issue it is probably duller than dishwater. I wonder if those editors think outsiders even care about their funny little conflicts. Jeffpw (talk) 13:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I read the talk page, but I can't make heads or tails of it. Something about an alternate historical name of the language; they both seem convinced that the other is evil incarnate, and though I've tried hard, I just can't manage to give a damn. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Surprisingly I think I actually know a bit about this. By trying to link the language to certain family tree it can be considered an insult because it attacks the cultural history. So one of them seems to be saying the dialect grew out of Greece, the other wants it to have grown out of the otoman empire a more prestigious route for the dialect to have taken. I'm sure that's far from being absolutly correct but that's the gist of it. I worked with many Turkish and Moroccan people and they would always fight about language and the history behind it. Ridernyc (talk) 13:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry you're so upset. I am too. I just saw she died. All the best, Jeffpw (talk) 13:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I really, really admired Bhutto, and was following her on the news because I thought she might be Pakistan's best current way out of some of the mess it's in. Stupid, stupid terrorists have further fucked their own country, and a good woman is gone for no good reason... I think I'm going to cry. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know Bhutto before all of this in the pat few months - but RIP. Cheers, Davnel03Sign It,Junior! 13:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
By the logic you used, about half of Wikipedia's articles should be deleted. The Trojan suit is definitely notable —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Talking Mac (talk • contribs)
The logic I used was the idea that an article should have sources other than blogs. Crazy, I know, but it is Wikipedia's current guideline. I see you are claiming that there are real sources, but you don't seem to have linked to those sources in the article or the deletion discussion. Are they a secret? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Why are you deleting GetMyScoop.com? It is an inmportant website because not only does it allow users to quiclky get a scoop on what's going on around the internet, it enables them to contribute their content as well, all for free. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariuimurme (talk • contribs) 15:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I mistook it for an advertisement for a non-notable web site. I'll correct the problem right away, and undelete the article. Could you please give me links to three newspaper or magazine articles about this web site, so I can add them to the article so it won't be mistaken for spam again? Make sure they're full-length articles in legitimate news sources; we wouldn't want anyone to think this wasn't a fully notable web site. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Is the criteria for categorizing a new website as a "notable website" the existence of 3 full-length articles from newspapers or magazines? This is a very recent website, and it is notable because I've used it and I think it is important. It is hard for me to believe that such articles will not be written about this website in the comming months. Anyways, here are some links that talk about the website:
please see WP:RS forum posts and self published press releases are not considered reliable sources. The site has a total of 7 Google hits all of them self promotion. Ridernyc (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Two different, new accounts so interested in one article, hey? Whitstable (talk) 15:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Rydernyc, don't be so harsh. Ariuimurme clearly established notability above when s/he said it was notable because s/he had used it. Ariuimurme, I found a website devoted to Lucy Ricardo's ever changing hair color. Can you go look at it so we can make it notable, too. I've been dying to write about that dashed hair color controversy but was having difficulty establishing notability. Thank my lucky stars I happened upon this page and found somebody so important and powerful as yourself. Thanks in advance, Jeffpw (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
You know what I want to write about? There's a song in The Mikado in which there's a tradition of rewriting some of the lyrics for a new production. I'd love to write an article about that song and some of the more amusing lyrics people have written for it. I suspect the sources exist, too, but I'm just too lazy to drag my ass to the library and read some actual books. Might be a fun project, too. You can't go wrong spending some quality time nerding out to Gilbert and Sullivan... sorry, were we talking about something else? wanders away humming 'Pour, o pour the pirate sherry' to herself-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey, FisherQueen, I took it upon myself to revert a bit of vandalism on your page, and I was about to find the oldid to prove it but someone else got the credit :(
I saw your post in Greece Wiki project.What phrase do you want to translate; Eagle of Pontus —Preceding comment was added at 15:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
It's okay, that's from months and months ago, and I got the translation I needed. Thank you for the offer, though. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to add a file for the Portable Atheist but not sure what I have to change to get the picture for it to be acceptable.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylanpack (talk • contribs) 23:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Fair use templates are a bitch, aren't they? I think that most recent change is what the bot is looking for; the specific article that the picture is used in. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 03:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm really working on the "Central Toronto Youth Services" page. This is an organization that has been on the forefront of clinical mental health services in Canada, especially where gay and lesbian youth are concerned, and it really needs to be noted. They've won numerous awards for this work, and most recently the City of Toronto's "Pride Award". Here's my challenge - what need I do to satisfy the note you put on the page? Similar Charities have pages with less information ( Kids Help Phone ) or with fewer (or no) references ( Big Brothers and Sisters of Canada ).
OR, was the fundamental issue the tone (because I was working with text from the CTYS website), and if so, have my changes moved the page away from that issue some?
I really appreciate your feedback, I'd like to start contributing to Wikipedia more, so this is a great learning opportunity. Matthew Cutler (talk) 04:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for all your hard work! I was concerned that the group might not meet the notability criteria; as that page says, organizations that are purely local in scope aren't generally what an encyclopedia needs an article about. I appreciate that you've added sources- that's just what the article needed- but I'm still concerned, because none of those sources seems to be a full-length article written in a signficant, independent source, and that's what is really needed to make notability clear. I'm not sure; if you like, we could send it to Articles for Deletion discussion, and get some more people to take a look at it and weigh in. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
There has been a lot of national and international work done, especially by their research department. I've still got time, let me see what I can dig up! Thanks! Matthew Cutler (talk) 13:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and seemed to be the start of a vandalism spree and has been reverted or removed by yourself. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. :) --Stephen 06:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I am filled with shame... but I've spent so many months reverting vandalism, and the vandals seem to be having so much fun. I wanted to try it, too, especially now that we have enough administrators that the encyclopedia doesn't really need me. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to add a page IP2Location but quick deleted due to no mention of reason. The software has been used by Wikiscanner at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiscanner. In this case, we think it is important to list it here in wiki to give it credits that its deserved. I'm new to wikipedia, please let me know if I've done anything wrong. Comment added by Tgotchi (talk • contribs)
If this is your own web page, you should not be creating an article about it, as the conflict of interest criteria suggests. If it isn't your own web page, you just need to make sure you have the two or three independent sources- like reviews of the software in significant sources or articles about the software- to show how it meets the notability criteria. Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a software directory. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Egyptians, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Egyptians. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 10:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it funny how all the freaks seem to have gathered on Wikipedia for the holidays this year? EconomicsGuy (talk) 11:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Merry Christmas! Your nationality has been declared non-notable, and is being deleted! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Im not threatening legal action, I am merely repeating what I have been told by Shaun Wilson who has told me that he would more than likely consider legal options against Wikipedia for the vandalism. What I would like to know in this instance is what I should tell him so I can diffuse the situation based on wiki policy.
What you just said is considered a legal threat by Wikipedia, and similar comments are the most certain way to get indefinitely blocked. Once you declare an intention to become involved in a legal conflict, Wikipedia does not permit you to edit until after the lawsuit has concluded. You can tell Mr. Wilson (assuming that you aren't him) that Wikipedia is not a place to place an official biography. This is an encyclopedia, where all information must be verifiable in reliable sources, and it can be edited by anyone. If you're looking for a place to post an official biography, this simply isn't that place. If you are employed by Wilson, then you should carefully consider our conflict of interest guidelines; it really isn't appropriate for people with a close connection to the subject to edit the article at all, although you can make suggestions on the talk page. We try to have neutral, uninvolved people write and edit the articles to help keep the encyclopedia free of bias. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
You seem to mostly be objecting to maintenance tags, which is counterproductive; maintenance tags draw the attention of uninvolved editors to the article to make improvements that are needed. For example, you shouldn't remove the {refimprove} tag unless you have added some better references- like links to newspaper, magazine, or art journal articles about Wilson. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I have a background in law and so I can tell you I am not, repeat not making any form of legal threats whatsoever! You are confusing the issue here.
Given your comments above I wont work on the Wilson page anymore as you are right, there is a conflict of interest here now I am working along side him for the book. I just found the wiki policy on vandalism so will forward that to him, Im sure that will defuse the situation but do understand I am just trying to find out information on what to do as a simple conversation backed up by the appropriate Wiki policy should be more than adequate to dissolve any unnecessary action from Wilson. Anyhow, have a good New years and thanks for the advice.
Yeah, I was thinking about removing the DB tag, and I do agree that AfD is suitable. The author supplied a source or external link, I'll see if there is any information on the page that I can use to expand the article. Sydney Know It Alltalk 13:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for deleting the Boffrey Wiegmann article, I was having trouble keeping the CSD tag on there! The creator has now been reported to AIV for vandalism and nonsense. Thanks again! ><RichardΩ612 13:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
No problem. It's on my watchlist now, so I'll notice if it's recreated. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
And I went ahead and blocked him for you as well. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Thesydneyknowitall and me were talking about vanity articles and we were wondering... you seem knowledgable (and you are an admin): Is Vanity a reason for Speedy deletion? For example: on Krishna Rajendram article Thesydneyknowitall put db|Vanity., while I'm not sure it's a valid reason (I don't see it on WP:CSD). Can you answer our doubts? Thanks a lot. Peasantwarrior (talk) 13:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
No. A 'vanity article' is one created by the subject, an autobiography. Many of them get deleted because they have no assertion of notability, in which case the appropriate tag is {db-bio}, but they aren't speedied simply because they are autobiographies. If President Bush creates an article about himself, it isn't speediable, even though he does have a conflict of interest that will need to be dealt with. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a millon. You really helped us. Now, tell me, what do you think would be the appropriate thing to do with Marjan Šetinc, which is a vanity article (check out the user name)? Peasantwarrior (talk) 13:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Just because it's a vanity article doesn't mean it's useless. I slapped it with an autobiography tag and one for sources; you should try to determine whether or not the person meets the notability criteria- my quick glance indicated that he probably does, which means that the article shouldn't be deleted but it does need to be improved, by somebody, eventually. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I didn't mean it's useless because it's a vanity article. I was just wondering what was the right thing to do, which you made clear. It seems the subject is notable as he is a former MP. Anyway, thanks once again. Peasantwarrior (talk) 13:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
It makes me sad sometimes- Wikipedia is full of these things, crappy autobiographical articles. The subjects are technically notable, but no one cares about them enough to turn them into decent articles, so they just hang there like dead fish. Still, dead fish do have their uses, and you never know when someone might care enough to improve the thing. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I was just dropping a message because I haven't see any posts from you on my talk page for awhile. Be assured that my talk page is a friendly and dynamic environment with discussion on many aspects of the beautiful and fascinating Portuguese language. Just scroll to any section or the end of anyone's comments and type away. :-) learnportuguese (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Odd; your talk page fell off my watchlist at some point, but it's back on now. Courtesy of Babelfish, I will now greet you in your own language: "Sua mãe é um hamster, e seu pai cheirado dos elderberries." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid that I don't understand the issue about which you disagree well enough to understand which of you is in the right. But if either of you violates WP:3RR again, you can report it at WP:AN3RR, and if either of you is in serious violation of WP:CIVIL, you can report that at WP:ANI. I can see that he disagrees with you, but I'm not certain that disagreeing with you constitutes 'trolling,' and I am not familiar enough with the subject under dispute to really understand what the problem between you is. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
You should at least stop the personal attacks on me on WP:ANI. He's a vandal.Ungurul (talk) 21:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Disruption is equal with vandalism from the administrative blocking point of view. If he will not stop being disruptive he will support the consequences of not editing anymore. Ungurul (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
You are behaving just as badly as he is. In fact, today, you're behaving worse. Disagreeing with you is not vandalism, and as far as I can see, he hasn't edited the article you're disagreeing over at all since his block expires, much less vandalized anything. No, disruption is not synonymous with vandalism, and you are both more or less equally disruptive. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I added the picture a few minutes after the link, please have patience. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdicefan (talk • contribs)
Yes, you re-uploaded the picture and tagged it as a book cover, when it obviously isn't a book cover. I know that image use policy is difficult and complicated, but if you don't take the time to get it right, the image will just get deleted again. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
How should I license tag it then? It comes out of a book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdicefan (talk • contribs) 21:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
You can't just copy stuff out of books and publish them; the picture's copyright belongs to someone. Did you contact the photographer and ask him or her to email Wikipedia legally licensing the picture for free use, as described at WP:COPYRIGHT? Pictures are subject to copyright, and it isn't legal to copy them without permission. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I was just in the middle of adding a CSD tag to a page, when the "You are recreating deleted material" warning came up... with your name in the log. I still can't believe that I was beaten to that one... :-) Stwalkerstertalk 22:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm so fast with my Twinkle trigger, baby, you can hear the tiny sonic boom when I delete a nonsense page. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
You're entirely welcome; feel free to ask me if you have questions you can't find the answers to. We like useful new users. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
This is the English Wikipedia, and its official language is English as it is commonly spoken by reasonably educated contemporary speakers. There are Wikis in many languages. I do not think there is currently a Wikipedia for the version of English that you have invented, but you would be welcome to start one if you are not able to communicate in the style of English that this wiki uses. By the way, I do read Anglo-Saxon, in which great poetry was written before the cretin monks took over English, and what you're writing bears no resemblance whatsoever to that beautiful language. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 05:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
If you know whas English is, you could bewray the many words in your post which are not English but Latinago muttish. So this Wikipedia does not use English, but English with a bunch of other speakts. And the greater fitt of pòitry and other literature was writted in Seacson, which is a sibling of Thewdish; it hardly shares the grammar or spelling of English. ("Anglo" is not even English; it is still Latin rub.) What do you mean by "invent"? My writing comes fro many hours of readin dictionaries. If you knew anything about English, you can prove im by tellan me which sound the "ea" makes in "read" and other such words. However, you believe it's the same as the "ee" in "reed", so you fail in all belief. -lysdexia 05:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
User:SilkTork is changing the redirect of WP:Plot I changed it back and he quickly reverted it. I have asked for an explanation and have gotten no reply. Changing this redirect affects dozens of discussions dating back almost 3 years. Ridernyc (talk) 13:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I also find it kind of strange that DGG makes this comment [9] 2 hours after the change occurred. He is very active in the debates at WP:Fict and I know he knows what WP:plot is supposed to link to. Ridernyc (talk) 13:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you pointed that discussion out; my first instinct was not to revert a good-faith edit before the discussion, but if the change is causing problems now then it seems reasonable to leave it as it was until consensus is reached. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
yeah that the reason I reverted it. It's currently one of the key policies. Between the AFD's, the ARBCOM, the rewriting of almost every fiction guideline, it's being quoted a lot right now. These are the types of games that started the whole mess with WP:Fict. Ridernyc (talk) 13:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Your revert has caused a problem as the redirect has been listed at RFD. Your revert removed the RfD tag so I have to put it back to how it was. In the meantime, to avoid the issues you are concerned about, I'll adjust all mentions of WP:PLot so they point to the right place. Regards SilkTork *SilkyTalk 13:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be easier to save yourself changing the links in all those discussions, only to have to change them back in a few days if consensus disagrees with you, by just leaving the redirect as it has been until after discussion? There are likely hundreds, even thousands, of discussions affected, and... do you know how to find them? I used 'what links here' and got the links to all of the redirects to any part of WP:NOT, which would be even more difficult to search through. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Plus as we have pointed out there are current active discussions linked to it. Ridernyc (talk) 13:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict)I see what you are saying. I've just looked at Pages that link to Wikipedia:Plot. I can't see many obvious ones that are current. But I do take your point about the process. However, the reverse is also true, because I, at least, have been using WP:Plot as a shortcut to Plot. So it's awkward both ways! I see how this has come about and will certainly be using Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion for similiar situations in future. Live and learn, eh? Do you really feel it would easier to reverse things? I'm logging off for a bit now, but will check back in later today. Regards. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 14:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I have sexy admin tools, and the job of finding and changing all those links isn't one that I'd like to take on, and discussions will immediately get confusing if all those WP:PLOT links are going somewhere new. Me personally, I think that the most logical place for WP:PLOT to go is the Manual of Style discussion on writing about fiction, but that's neither of the choices that you two favor, and I surely don't care enough to try to change all the links... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree if we were starting fresh the logical place would WP:WAF, but we have god only knows how many links that point to WP:NOT. Ridernyc (talk) 14:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
if you look at though right now Not Plot is working pretty well as disambiguation page linking to all the relevant MOS and guidelines for fiction, so actually anyone who types in WP:Plot can find pretty much anything relating to plot. Ridernyc (talk) 14:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent)Looking at the complexity of this with possible confusions with WP:PLOT, and suggestions to redirect to WP:WAF I feel I have stepped into and caused a bit of a stink. WP:Plot appeared to me to be a recent creation - I wasn't aware of WP:PLOT. I'll create an unambiguous film plot shortcut - WP:FilmPlot - and then back quietly away from this, leaving it to wiser and more involved heads to sort out. Sorry for any mess I've caused - and Happy New Year! SilkTork *SilkyTalk 15:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
That was very graceful of you; I think that WP:FILMPLOT (me, I'd go with all caps, since people are used to shortcuts that are formatted in that way) is a good solution to the dilemma. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Why did you delete my page on Zanby before I had an opportunity to add any references to it? User:Tomcat66 g500 —Preceding comment was added at 14:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I must have mistaken it for an advertisement for a non-notable web site. If you'll give me links to three articles about the topic in magazines, newspapers, or significant online sources, I'll recreate the article and add the sources so that no one else will mistake it for spam. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Do you have a script for that or do you just cut and paste it from somewhere? Ridernyc (talk) 15:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I don't have a script for that- I typed it the old-fashioned way. It would probably be useful to create a little template for myself, now that you mention it! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I've thought of doing it for certain things I type all the time. Just can't be bothered to try to figure it out. Ridernyc (talk) 15:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I did it! My new template is {fqundelete}. Pretty neat, huh? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I changed it to {fq-undelete}; I think I'll be doing this again. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Nice! I may use that as well - substed, right? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Please, help yourself. I couldn't figure out how to code ~~~~ so that it would sign for whoever used it; I know there's a way to do that, and I just need to work it out... on second thought, it's probably easier to just sign it as usual rather than try to code it into the template. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
