User:Jayron32/Adoption notes

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

The Obento Musubi

Final (0/2/1); ended 00:42, 06 January 2008 (GMT)

I withdraw my nomination, because I agree with Pedro. I need more experience, and I need to get a better knowledge of administrator options. Maybe I can get Jayron32 to adopt me.

The Obento Musubi (talk · contribs) - I'm self-nominating myself for adminship. I heavily edit pages related to music, in particular, pages related to The Carpenters and Wings (band) as well as Paul McCartney. Although I've been a member for almost a year (I joined in June of 2006), I've edited heavily since mid-2007. I got off to a rough start because I wasn't familiar with the image rationale system, but thanks to the new admin Jayron32, I understand how it goes now. I currently have almost 4,450 edits on Wikipedia (see this link for details), most of which are of the page The Carpenters. Although I don't know everything about the Wikipedia guidelines, I try my best to make Wikipedia a better website by actively participating in music-related pages. I also try to edit Wikipedia in other languages (mostly Spanish; you can see my contributions on the Spanish Wikipedia here). I would be honored to become an administrator for Wikipedia, but if not, I am able to understand. Thanks everybody! – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 06:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit: For the record, I know my edit will be heavily scrutinized by the public, and I'm fine with that, because I have nothing to hide. I have gotten into minor conflicts (at least, those that I can remember) with other Wikipedians, but I am open about that. You can even read my take on it in the "Questions for the candidate" section for more details and my take on them. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 21:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Co-nomination by Rgoodermote

Since Rgoodermote is busy, he asked me to copy and paste the following text from my talk page onto here.

"This is the first time I have ever supported or co-nominated some one, but I feel Obento is the best choice to be an administrator. Obento has proven to be a dedicated, patient, kind and trustworthy editor. Obento has proven her dedication as the original editor of the Carpenters page which was once nominated for Featured Article status see here. The user if anyone has seen her attempts has show patience by working with various editors on Wikipedia that others would usually report/block. Since I met Obento (a little over 2 months) I have come to trust her as a competent user who is not trigger happy and will most likely make a change in how administrators do businesses. Users like Obento are rare, but admins like him are rarer. I hope that my opinion swings the votes and that we see this user as an administrator some day. " Rgoodermote  12:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?

A: I intend to expand many music-related pages, edit templates, such as userboxes and navigational boxes, to make it look more aesthetically pleasing, revert vandalism, and support many newcomers, like welcoming them to the community and helping them out with editing Wikipedia. I plan to try and expand many stub pages, and I hope to get many pages featured in the future. Wikipedia is an informational place, and I will try to get it to be as informational as possible, with good information, and less useless trivia sections. Also, I wish to fix bad wikilinks and bad grammar, just as I do now.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

A: In my opinion, my best contributions to Wikipedia of The Carpenters. I have been constantly editing the page to try and get it to featured article status. Even though it failed, I try to use the criticism constructively. I held a peer review for The Carpenters earlier, and fixed almost everything that people suggested. Before I heavily edited The Carpenters, it had about only a mere 20 citations, none of which were properly formatted. I taught myself how to cite them properly with the help of some fellow Wikipedians, and now the article has 66 citations, most of which are properly formatted. It is being nominated for Good article status (as someone pointed out that I should take "baby steps"), and even though I didn't create the page, I feel as if it were my own. I also edited the page "Island Pacific Academy" heavily, and I even added the infobox to the page with all of the information. I also created and edited some various templates, such as {{The Carpenters}} (I created it, and started it from scratch again; this is the second version).

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Yes, I have. In the past, I was very new, and I had to teach myself how to edit Wikipedia. I was very unfamiliar with fair-use images, and various bots kept deleting my images (you can see User talk:The Obento Musubi/Archive 1 for reference), but I was very immature them. It caused me a lot of stress, and there was a point where I was fed up with Wikipedia administrators because I felt as if they were attacking me. So, I foolishly created a page called "User:The Obento Musubi/You Suck" (you can see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:The Obento Musubi/You Suck for more details). However, I have matured a lot since then. I took a brief wikibreak in August and September of 2007, but returned in late October, when I started editing The Carpenters. Since then, I haven't had any major problems with Wikipedia administrators. Now and in the future, I will simply handle it with civility, and I now realize that most Wikipedians aren't "out to get me", so to speak. In the future, I will try to report this to administrators (if I don't become an administrator) or I will courteously warn vandals or disruptive Wikipedians with templates such as {{uw-warn}}. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 06:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Optional question from Sarcasticidealist

4. - In your answer to question one, you addressed what your plans are as a Wikipedia editor for the future. Could you speak a little more specifically on what you intend to do with the admin buttons if you get them?

A: I would definitely use it to edit protected pages, such as edit typographical and grammatical errors on the main page. As somebody who frequently reverts edits, the streamlined reversion feature will be of a big help to me. There are frequently templates that I run into that link to an improper Spanish Wikipedia template or have errors in it, and I try to post on the talk page, but it rarely gets answered. Having the ability to edit protected pages would be very helpful, because I can then fix errors on the template. I would block disruptive vandals, especially those of IP Addresses, and sock puppets. What I wouldn't do if I became an administrator would be that I wouldn't abuse my power. I wouldn't unblock somebody without good reason, and I wouldn't vandalize protected pages. Moreover, I would not use administratorship as a form of higher status, because in my eyes, if I became an administrator, I would still be a regular Wikipedian, but I would have special privileges that regular members do not have. I hope this is clear enough; if not, I'll try to expand a bit more. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 23:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Question from Pedro

5. How would you respond to me opposing your request, purely based on User talk:The Obento Musubi/Archive 2 ? Pedro :  Chat  23:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

A: I would say that it's not a very good reason to oppose my request. Although I have made many mistakes in the past, it was because I was not as mature as I am now. Jayron32 helped me to realize that free and non-free images are a big deal, and he explained it to me with great detail. I have not had many problems regarding free and non-free images in about a month, but it isn't as frequent now as it had been before. I also have stopped adding fair-use images to templates. You should also look at my current talk page and the first archive. Look at what edits I am making now; not those of the past. Regarding Avruch's neutral stance, I have grown since then. With the help of User:Jayron32, User:Bella Swan, and very importantly, User:Rgoodermote, I believe I have grown as a contributor. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 23:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Follow up question from Pedro

5.1 Based on your response above, is it right for me to assume that you feel contributions from six - eight weeks ago are not relevant in my assesment of your aptitude and/or capability to be an administrator?

A:' Six to eight weeks ago is when I started to get serious about editing Wikipedia, although to me, it seems like it's been a lot longer than that. Looking at my contributions from them, I think that from that time ago, I was still unfamiliar with many of the features that Wikipedia has to offer, and I did many things on here somewhat ignorantly, like adding fair use images to templates. However, since then, I have learned a lot about Wikipedia, and, although I don't know everything about Wikipedia and administratorship, I am a fast learner, and I can learn these concepts, so I apologize for not having the best answers. However, trust me when I say that I will try my best to be a wonderful administrator here at Wikipedia. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 00:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I do indeed trust that you would be a wonderful administrator. I know you edit here to help out, and that you do your very best. I'm not convinced adminship is right at this time, but your answers to my questions demonstrate an honest and genuine editor, and you have my total respect. Pedro :  Chat  00:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Questions from Avruch

1. What is the difference between a ban and a block?

2. If another administrator removes material from an article and cites a BLP concern as the reason - but you believe the material does not violate BLP policy and should be included- what do you do?

3. If you wish to close an AfD that is still open after 7 days but you believe the consensus is against current policy, what action should you take?

4. What is your opinion on administrator recall?

• A:Personally, it would depend. If the user abused the trust of administrators to the point where the user lied and felt no remorse, then I would be very against administrator recall. However, if the administrator really grew up, and really realized their mistakes, then I think recall may be an action in a few select cases. In my mind, administratorship is a one time deal. If you abuse the power, then you may as well say "Goodbye" to your administratorship forever. If an ex-administrator becomes a very respected editor that does not vandalize pages or bring the community down, then I think they should have a chance to renew their administratorship. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 00:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Recall is a voluntary category that administrators can join if they want the community to be able to ask that their administrator status be removed. In light of this and a re-reading by you of the page, can you re-evaluate your answer? ^Avruchtalk 00:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I feel so nervous and embarrassed right now. I'm sorry for the stupid answer. I still need to train myself with this vocabulary. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 00:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Please don't feel that way. Honestly - the community respects editors who will remove comments when they realise they have made a mistake. It's another example of why I believe you will be a future administrator. Bravo.Pedro :  Chat  00:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Additional questions by Niyant:

1. A user requests semi-protection for an article because there's an edit war going on between him and an unregistered user. What do you do?

A: I would decline the request for two main reasons. If the unregistered user got an account with Wikipedia and waited a few days, the unregistered user would be able to edit the page if it was semi-protected. Also, the war may get bigger, because then registered users may change it to however they would like it. I would tell the user to put the concern on the talk page, and let the administrators handle it themselves. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 00:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

2. A user requests semi-protection for an article that has been constantly vandalized by an unregistered user. What do you do?

A: I would do one of two things. I would tell the user to leave a message on the talk page, then I would edit it myself or notify another administrator for editing it, or I would block the unregistered user's IP Address from editing Wikipedia, then temporarily semi-protect it. When the registered user is finished editing it, then I would protect it again.

3. A user requests full protection for an article that has been constantly vandalized by the sockpuppets of a banned user. What do you do?

4. How would you proceed to decide whether or not to block users reported on WP:AIV?

General comments

• See The Obento Musubi's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

• Links for The Obento Musubi: The Obento Musubi (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

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Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/The Obento Musubi before commenting.

Discussion

Oppose

1. Oppose, based on a combination of very recent problematic behaviour, dubious answers to the protection-related questions, and overall lack of experience at the English Wikipedia, and lack of clear purpose for desiring admin tools. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 23:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
2. Oppose With a huge ammount of moral support. I respect what you're trying to do, and your desire to help further. But you really need a bit more time to learn more about Wikipedia culture, policies and aims - this is demonstrated in the answers to various questions. I would urge you not to be discouraged if this RfA fails to pass, and I am sure that the community would agree with me in expressing the hope that you will continue to work and assist here; and that (should this RfA not pass) you will have a future request granted. My very best wishes, and again my thanks. Pedro :  Chat  00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

1. I'll wait to support or oppose based on the answers to my questions, but the archive linked to by Pedro is seriously concerning. It demonstrates a strong lack of knowledge in November about contribution policy, which is unacceptable in an admin candidate. Granted, it is entirely possible you have learned a great deal since that time and I'll await the answers to my questions to see if that is the case. ^Avruchtalk 23:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.

Ideas

Check over his contrib history, find places to improve

Introduce to main admin pages WP:ANI, WP:AIV, WP:ADMIN, WP:BLOCK

Get on board with deletion processes WP:AFD, WP:DELETION, WP:CSD

Get familiar with main policy/guideline pages WP:N, WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:OR

Introduce to Village Pump WP:VPP

Other pages to familiarize him with: WP:RFC, WP:UAA, WP:RFCN

See if he has Yahoo Chat capability.