User:Sphilbrick/Lawrence Solomon article dispute of July 8-10
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Last entry in error - AQFK to check whyfixedNo proofing done yetNeed to distinguish article from talkdone- I pared out many entries that obscured the ongoing edit war -- for review, revert if desired Minor4th • talk 17:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
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| Link | Time | Editor | Edit location | Details |
| [1] | 16:34, July 8, 2010 | User:William M. Connolley | Article | User:William M. Connolley removes "environmentalist" with edit summary "env isn't an occupation. and rm env from the text, per talk" |
| [2] | 16:35, July 8, 2010 | User:William M. Connolley | Talk | User:William M. Connolley replies "I don't really care about the dispute tag. But I've removed "env", per the discussion above. Hopefully at some point User:ATren will find the time to read and answer it" |
| [3] | 16:40, July 8, 2010 | User:Marknutley | Article | User:Marknutley re-adds "environmentalist" with edit summary "rv of course enviro can be an ocupation, and he is an enviro per talk" |
| [4] | 16:41, July 8, 2010 | User:Marknutley | Talk | User:Marknutley replies "Reverted you per the discussion above, and all the sources presented" |
| [5] | 18:29, July 8, 2010 | User:Viriditas | Article | User:Viriditas reverts with edit summary "Reverted to revision 372467256 by User:William M. Connolley; Environmentalism is not an occupation. (TW)" |
| [6] | 18:55, July 8, 2010 | User:Cla68 | Article | User:Cla68 restores "environmentalist" with edit summary "According to the sources, he is an environmentalist even if it isn't, arguably, an occupation" |
| [7] | 08:23, July 9, 2010 | User:ATren | Talk | User:ATren replies "WMC, you've completely ignored my points above. If Mark hadn't reverted I would have. As I've said I read the sections and there is no good argument for removing the label." |
| [8] | 08:56, July 9, 2010 | User:Hipocrite | Article | User:Hipocrite edits article with edit summary "Splitting baby in half." |
| [9] | 08:58, July 9, 2010 | User:Hipocrite | Talk | User:Hipocrite replies "Free-market environmentalist describes his position completely - I found a ref, off his own site, that describes him as such - [10] - in the section "Setting Up Fronts", "As pointed out by the free-market environmentalist Larry Solomon of Energy Probe, the "Boreal Conservation Framework" actually amounts to a massive resource giveaway requiring government subsidies, as industrial development in the far northern boreal forest is currently uneconomic under market conditions." I hope this resolves this once and for-all. " |
| [11] | 16:26, July 9, 2010 | User:Cla68 | Article | User:Cla68 adds "and environmental activist" with edit summary "environmental activist, per talk page" (a compromise edit) |
| [12] | 19:01, July 9, 2010 | User:Hipocrite | Article | User:Hipocrite adds "free-market" with edit summary "more free-market" (no corresponding talk page support) |
| [13] | 19:09, July 9, 2010 | User:Marknutley | Article | User:Marknutley reverts with edit summary "rv User:Hipocrite, that just looks silly in the info box, it is already in the lede anyway" (no talk page support) |
| [14] | 19:30, July 9, 2010 | User:Hipocrite | Article | User:Hipocrite removes "environmental" with edit summary "Rm environmental - it's already in the lede and it looks silly here" |
| [15] | 19:36, July 9, 2010 | User:A Quest For Knowledge | Article | User:A Quest For Knowledge reverts with edit summary ""environmental activist" is fine" |
| [16] | 19:37, July 9, 2010 | User:Hipocrite | Article | User:Hipocrite reverts with edit summary "rv back to "Free market" which is also fine" |
| [17] | 20:29, July 9, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren reverts with edit summary "rv "free-market" - see talk" |
| [18] | 20:36, July 9, 2010 | User:ATren | Talk | User:ATren starts new discussion: "I have reverted "free market environmentalist" back to the unadorned environmentalist for two reasons:* I emailed Lawrence Solomon about the free-market environmentalist label, and he has indicated that it does not describe him, and in fact, that it has been used pejoratively by left-leaning organizations.* the single source which calls him that (and only in passing, BTW) is a document hosted at probeinternational.com but which originally appeared in a magazine called Canadian Dimension. Canadian Dimension is "a Canadian leftist magazine". Being that I see no reliably sourced justification for the label other than a partisan magazine, and given that the BLP himself considers the term inaccurate and pejorative, the term is not appropriate and I have removed it. " Related: [19] |
| [20] | 02:52, July 10, 2010 | User:Verbal | Article | User:Verbal adds "disputed" tag. |
| [21] | 04:33, July 10, 2010 | User:Cla68 | Article | User:Cla68 changes "environmental activist" to "environmentalist" with edit summary "User:Guettarda objected to the term, so changed to generic term" |
| [22] | 05:06, July 10, 2010 | User:Hipocrite | Article | User:Hipocrite adds {{npov}} tag with edit summary "now fully pov - see talk)" |
| [23] | 05:57, July 10, 2010 | User:Hipocrite | Article | User:Hipocrite adds "Liberal commentators have described him as a "free-market environmentalist" with edit summary "Restoring the PoV that he's a free market environmentalist, ascribed only to the PoV holders." |
| [24] | 08:01, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren with changes "Liberal commentators have" to "One source, writing in an magazine which strongly opposes free markets" with edit summary "Moved User:Hipocrite's non-notable and partisan "free-market" source into the reference list, and properly qualified it as coming from a an anti-free-market source." |
| [25] | 08:14, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren changes source with edit summary "change the attribution to the original source, which is Canadian Dimension. The EP link is a reprint." |
| [26] | 08:51, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren adds new source with edit summary "add Wash Times source for environmentalist" |
| [27] | 09:00, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren edits article with edit summary "add Financial Post bio and Solomon's own statement, as supporting material for the other sources" |
| [28] | 09:01, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren minor edit, fix ref |
| [29] | 09:13, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren removes "free-market" with edit summary "rv "free-market" - a single, obscure, partisan source calls him this, and only in passing. And LS himself considers it a pejorative. There is absolutely no justification for putting this in the lede; I have retained the note in the reference lis" |
| [30] | 09:14, July 10, 2010 | User:Verbal | Article | User:Verbal reverts with edit summary "Reverted to revision 372726762 by User:Hipocrite; please discuss these changes, such as removing tags. (TW)" |
| [31] | 09:19, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren reverts with edit summary "rv User:Verbal per BLP exemption -- ONE SINGLE liberal commentator calls him that and LS himself calls it a pejorative. This is a clear BLP vio." |
| [32] | 09:21, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren edits article with edit summary "removed the part about advocating market-based solutions. It was added by a new editor as his only edit, and it is completely unsupported in the reference." |
| [33] | 09:25, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Talk | User:ATren starts new discussion: "User:Verbal reverted a bunch of my edits, and in the process, he included the free-market environmentalist label in the lede, which is cited to a single person writing for an obscure liberal Canadian Magazine. This is clearly not notable and given LS's own indication that he considers it a pejorative, it is a BLP violation to include it. In my version (which User:Verbal reverted) I included the "free-market environmental" claim with its source in the references section, but it does NOT belong in the lede. I have cited BLP exemption in my revert." |
| [34] | 09:29, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren restores {{disputed}} and {{npov}} tags with edit summary "restored tags -- I didn't intend to remove them, and in fact I lost some of my other changes in one of my edits." |
| [35] | 09:39, July 10, 2010 | User:ATren | Article | User:ATren changes "environmental activist" to "environmentalist" with edit summary "restore accidentally deleted material" |
| [36] | 10:00, July 10, 2010 | User:2over0 | Article | User:2over0 protects article with edit summary "Protected Lawrence Solomon: Edit warring / Content dispute: According to the protection log, this issue was discussed in January ... ([edit=sysop] (expires 15:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)) [move=sysop] (expires 15:00, 17 July 2010 ()" Marked as minor. |