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Alpha Phi Alpha

I will add some text regarding the "Ape" symbol in the Pledging section of the article. Can you provide any websites where you found your verification regarding Ape being the sysmbol so that I can provide a reference for the article? Thank you for you contribution. Ccson 22:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll put 2004 back...

--EngineerScotty 21:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: And your point is?

just read your interest in genealogy and thought you might be interested in the article... sorry if not...

and i apologize for the wrong placement of links in the Portland, Oregon entry. the category seemed very lacking of anything of interest and i thought it could use some more links. apparently not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ffaillace (talk • contribs) 12:30, August 14, 2006 (UTC)

Don't mind at all

I'm a horrible typist and will always bow to the skill of a professional editor. Thanks! Agne 00:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

a thank you for your note on project banners

thanks for the tip. i'm going back through the project banners right now. where there any in particular that you could clue me in on that I mis-bannered? thor01 16:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks again on the project banner comment

Thanks for the tip about the Corvallis, OR page.thor01 17:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Klamath Konversations

I have no idea what happens here, but here goes. Hello, I am now logged in at --Liaison1 22:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, now I see what that does. Ok, the feeble attempts at messing up your page. Without malice, trying to see how this all works. You get the newbie. :-) Erase it if you want. I don't know how.--Liaison1 22:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Amateur Fencers League of America

Just finished a major rewrite of this. Would be tickled if you would give it a going over. I think (maybe) I have the hang of footnotes and simple tables now. Whoo hoo! Am now going to sleep. Twisted86 09:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Finally got a good look at your copyedits. Great! Thanks!

Yep, Nebraska! I'm sure there's an interesting story as to how that came about.

I think the divisional history of the AFLA is important, as it illustrates how the organization grew. I think it is especially important to preserve because I have not been able to find the information anywhere else except in some out-of-print rulebooks, so the information is in danger of being lost. It's history. But, I agree that it clutters the article. I think breaking it out into a separate article might be the better approach. I'll think about how to do that well.

Bi(-)monthly.... I have noticed a trend toward elimination of bi-hyphens. Looks weird to my eye, but I can go with the flow. Makes me wonder if people are going to start wondering if there are monogots and monokinis (oops, too late for that one). On the other hand, we don't write bi-cycle. <sigh>

Rules controversies are hard to find sources for. Perhaps someone with an extensive collection of American Fencing magazines could do the research for that by looking through opinion columns and letters to the editor. Twisted86 18:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Glad to see you are happily editing again. Junkie. <grin> Twisted86 19:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Moved this from my user page

why did you send me this ip-based message without even leaving me a way to contact you and discuss. what i would like to discuss is the fact that I didn't make *any* edits to wikipedia until now...i work for a very big company with probably 700 people in a natted environment all showing the same external ip. please at least acknowledge this possibility and alter your behavior accordingly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.180.52.194 (talk • contribs) 17:01, September 22, 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Eugene, Oregon, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. Katr67 21:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:SharedIP

Ya, I ran across this last week after several IP vandalisms of electron microscope and other articles. Why EM??? I dunno. Musta been a slow school day in the UK. Happy, happy! Twisted86 04:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

One word: on-call. And with a name like Mount Pisgah, who could resist an edit? Now, I must study.... Twisted86 04:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Invitation

I invite you to join the Pornography in the United States GA for some copyedit (particularly for punctuation and the usage of prepositions), but feel free to edit it anyway. Cheers, --Brand спойт 19:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Nein userboxen

No userboxes. Whoa. Since I have no friends on Wikipedia I thought I would point out to your Oregon-hardcore-self my sandbox creations, please comment, I want to know if I suck. A mcmurray 04:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the critique. I knew that photo was hard to see, I should just use another B&W photo. The red and green are just going for that non-secular holiday appeal. jk. Those red links are annoying, where's WikiProject Illinois on that one? As for Irwin, um, yeah.A mcmurray 17:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to new WikiProject

Sorry to disturb, but am wishing to take a moment of your time for something I hope will be of interest. I'd like to invite you to join a new WikiProject I've started, WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. Should you feel so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. :) -Ebyabe 20:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You're not a "chopper", are you?

I hope you're not a Wiki "chopper"... ...referencing your cuts in Emperor of the North Pole.

If you're questioning an item, how about tagging it as "citation needed" and give the author 7-10 days to respond on the article's Discussion page... ...as I have done in this instance.

You can go to the History to see how this is done. There's not much use for editors...without writers.

Thanks! trezjr 21:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome.

I've actually used wikipedia for quite some time, just haven't contributed much. I just from time to time keep my eyes open for the easy fixes and do my part (always hoping I won't insult someone by correcting their typo, like that's never happened).

Anyway, I took a gander at your user page and saw you noted Battiest, Oklahoma as an interesting article you've stumbled upon. Admittedly, it isn't much, but that is where I grew up (my parents still reside there). I do admit it lacks a bit of interesting info, but I've got to cover the guidelines and see if there is really anything interesting that can validly be added.

Oh well, you can now officially say you've been bored by the blah of codeLes.

Regards. CodeLes 16:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Color of the bikeshed

Hi Katr67; thanks for bringing Color of the bikeshed to my attention (on your userpage). Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I found it when I was cruising through policy pages and such. It was at the bottom of WP:LAME. Katr67 23:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for WP:LAME, too. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:41, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

It really puts things into perspective doesn't it? Katr67 00:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thank you so much!

Glad you found it useful. Keep up the good work! - ReyBrujo 03:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Bots and WikiProjects

In case you are interested, I have continued the thread from User talk:Mets501#Metsbot at User:MetsBot/Requests#WikiProject California. Since I just echoed something you said earlier regarding the annoying placement of WikiProjects on talk pages, I thought you might like to know.... - Lawrence King 05:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

You sent me this message on Oct. 27.

Current revision Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did in Pacific Northwest. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites that you are affiliated with, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Katr67 17:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I have never been to that page and I have no idea what you are talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.115.68.100 (talk • contribs) 18:14, October 29, 2006

Well, according to your talk page, I did not post a message there, so you must mean this page. Apparently this range of IP addresses that belongs to the ISP Isomedia, Inc. is making use of a proxy server. I have added the appropriate ISP message to the top of those pages including this one which is another one you are likely to use. Unfortunately, someone using Isomedia was introducing spam links to Wikipedia, and we have no recourse but to leave messages on these IP userpages, which means if you edit wikipedia using the same IP, you may get messages that are not addressed to you. (And if the spamming continues, those IPs might get blocked.) As it says in the ISP template I placed on those pages, to remedy this, you can sign up for an account. Sorry for the inconvenience--I hope that answers your question. P.S. You can sign and datestamp your posts by typing 4 tildes (~~~~). Thanks and happy editing! Katr67 21:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Tipi

You tagged Tipi for cleanup "lacks encyclopedic voice" in August, but have not started a discussion of your concerns. I've removed the tag. Please discuss what needs attention on Talk:Tipi Cheers Clappingsimon talk 02:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Response to my suggestion that this particular user probably shouldn't blank warnings from his/her talk page

Leave me alone. What I do or don't do is none of your business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.77.44 (talk • contribs) 16:04, November 3, 2006

User watchlist

How much of it does work? For example, can you see the sidebar link, can you get to User:Tra/User watchlist? If you can get to that page, what exactly do you see? Also, what browser are you using? Tra (Talk) 17:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Try going to Special:Watchlist/edit and see manually if any of the users there have edited since midnight in your local timezone. If no-one on there has edited since midnight, it should explain why the list is empty. If that doesn't solve the problem, check that the clock and timezone is set correctly both on your computer and in your Wikipedia preferences. Tra (Talk) 17:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Cappy Thompson

Working on the article. See www.cappythompson.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Attywilliams (talk • contribs) 00:26, November 5, 2006

Pacific Northwest

I'm writing to you as one of the people who contributed to this article. I hope I could contribute to defusing the emotional debate and I would appreciate if you could participate in the new effort of finding a good name for the article. — Sebastian (talk) 22:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I dunno, it's kinda scary over there. :) But I'll see what I can do. Thanks for your excellent efforts in straightening this all out! Katr67 23:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! — Sebastian (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

You can come back now - it's all clear now! — Sebastian (talk) 00:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I chickened out. I'm glad you were able to reach a decision without me. :) Hey, I'm going to clean out the touristy and unrelated stuff from the external links section right now, so if you're still working on the article drop me a note so we don't have an edit conflict. Katr67 02:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it worked out fine! Too many cooks spoil the broth, anyway. I just noticed something else - see below. — Sebastian (talk) 06:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Pacific East Rim ecoregion

In the article Wealth, there is a sentence: "In ecologically rich areas such as those inhabited by the Haida in the Cascadia Pacific East Rim ecoregion, traditions like potlatch kept wealth relatively evenly distributed, ...". When I just disamb'ed Cascadia it occurred to me that "Pacific East Rim" seems quite redundant there. Maybe both this and "ecoregion" could be deleted, or should we create a separate article for it? — Sebastian (talk) 06:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar

This came just at the right moment: I was beginning to feel guilty because I had started spending more time on Wikipedia than I actually had. But I really enjoyed the PacNW experience — it was serendipitous that I came just at the moment when the involved editors where happy to find a catalyst to get together again. Please cross your fingers that I'll come across more such situations in the future. — Sebastian (talk) 07:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:Neighb'rhood Childr'n.jpg

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Thanks for your help with Gladys

I can spell, but I can't type!--68.191.43.133 18:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the mess I made in the AFD.

As you may have noticed - I try learn the process from the examples, so watching your edits will allow me to make similar ones in the future.

I also see that you've resumed editing the article itself - thank you again. Since you previously reported that you would pause while waiting for the outcome of the AFD does your resumption mean that you believe it will be kept?--James.lebinski 22:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I saw there was still white space when I was done and I'm baffled about clearing it all up, so I gave up. I'm supposed to be working anyway... I think maybe you are putting in extra hard returns in some of your responses and that makes the formatting weird? Or perhaps it has something to do with the *****s? I have no idea, but it's trivial, and it doesn't seem to bother most people.

I don't wish to express an opinion about the article passing AfD. Why do you ask? It's just that I'm a copyeditor and a WikiGnome and inconsistency, wrong punctuation, etc. drive me crazy. :) There's probably medication for it... Katr67 23:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Question withdrawn, but as an explanation...I asked about your restart of the editing because you said you planned to stop until you saw how the AFD was progressing ( at least I thought I saw that in one of your comments). Since I'm a rank amateur and have never seen the AFD process before, I thought that you might have seen something to allow you to form an opinion on the outcome - which then prompted you to restart editing. Note: none of the outcomes poossible invalidates your opinion in my book so that's not the angle I was going for. e.g. if your position winds up not being the consensus, i wasn't seeking to use that to refute your opinion itself. Just seeking the benefit of your experience here.

It's a pleasure to speak with you.--James.lebinski 14:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

One more thing... I see that you are familiar with southern dialects...In which case you'll be sure to already know the plural of Y'all right?--James.lebinski 02:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

FA nomination for California Gold Rush

The California Gold Rush article has been nominated for Featured article status. If you would like to comment on this nomination, please go here to leave your comment. To leave a comment on that page, click the [edit] link to the right of the title California Gold Rush. NorCalHistory 00:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Gladys

		The Original Gladys Holiday Greeting
		For your hard work, insighful opinions and overall contribution to Gladys the Swiss Dairy Cow, I hereby award you this Thank You, along with my sincere hope that you have a wonderful holiday season. james.lebinski 18:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Oregon

Welcome to Wikiproject Oregon! Please help with Oregon article any way you can. Let me know if you have any questions. PDXblazers 23:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

City infoboxes

Thanks for the note! Just got through Columbia County cities. Going to take a bit of a rest on the infobox thing. Thanks for your continuing help in the Oregon cities subproject! Ajbenj 05:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Oregon Country Fair

I appreciate the note. I'm going to change it again because [1] actually gives me a rank for the fully-populated Saturday OCF of 15th largest city in Oregon. See you at the Fair! Oregon Bear 09:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

External links

I'm not aware of any rule that External Links must be "specific" to a entry. My observation is that External Links are helpful so long as they offer the reader a link to additional information about an item in the entry.

As noted in the text of the entries, Ashland and Grants Pass grew up precisely because they are located on the Siskiyou Trail, and they are connected to all the other cities along the Siskyou Trail. Giving the reader an External Link to a site that provides further information about the Siskiyou Trail and other locations along the Siskiyou Trail is, as I understand it, exactly the function of an External Link.

Do you have a citation to some rule that is the stricter version that you are relying on?

NorCalHistory 14:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks as well for your courtesy in return. I agree that discussion is preferable to revert nonsense! Since you've taken such care on Oregon cities and towns, I'll defer to your judgment and give the matter some more thought. I do believe that the proposed External Link falls within the guidelines you've identified, but I'll defer for now!

Thanks for the work you've put into these entries.

NorCalHistory 16:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Zinc2005's Talk

Well, I've looked around a bit, and Bellevue-Hopewell Highway is not, in fact, a State Route. I only Wikified "Oregon State Route 153," because I thought this was actually the name of the highway, and that "Bellevue-Hopewell Highway" was a nickname. The List of Highways in Oregon link on my talk page actually explains the 2002 ODOT numbering legislation. It actually has nothing to do with the State Routes at all. ODOT numberings are used in ODOT projects and accounting, and are different from the Oregon State Route numbering system. The Bellevue-Hopewell Highway is not part of the State Route system, and is only used in ODOT. Therefore, it is not Oregon State Route 153, but just the "Bellevue-Hopewell Highway."

You probably already knew all this, though, and I may be just wasting my breath. If you didn't, I hope you got all that (I'm not very good at explaining things.) I do, however, believe we need an article on this highway. I don't know anything aabout it, though. By the way, how do you get into WikiProject Oregon?

Also, thanks for the article edits!

Zinc2005 06:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Post offices

Where do you get information on the historical post offices of Oregon? (Like the ones you put on Bellevue and Whiteson.) Zinc2005 18:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Neighb'rhood Childr'n

Re: Neighb'rhood Childr'n

Hi Katr67, I think I know enough to form a stub, but beyond that I'd be writing using references off the Internet or from the insert on their only CD re-release (info: [2] ). I'm not sure how the list of Oregon bands became so messed up :-/ Guroadrunner 21:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Prospect, Oregon

Thank you for contributing to the article I started on Prospect. Wjhonson 21:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It is curious that you should call me a vandal after the above praise, and many many contributions to articles touching on Oregon history, based on my delinking a redlinked article that I concluded had been through a legitimate AfD and deletion review. Katr67 21:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes you get praise when you do something good, and scorn when you do something bad :) Wjhonson 21:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, "bad" as you call it, is a long way from "vandal". Katr67 21:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

List of bands from Oregon

On the trail of the deletion:

Katr67 17:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Found the deletion discussion:

It seems they wish these bands to be in Category:Oregon musicians and not a list. I wish they would tag all those "list of" articles because they are going to be endlessly created.

Katr67 17:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see how it is, now. Hmm...I guess that's okay. I think (as I alluded to on my talk-page response to your message) that it would be good to also have a list or category of just Portland bands, since it's the biggest city in the state and where most bands are from in Oregon...just my opinion, of course. -little otik 19:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Tag article with something like this {{deletedpage}} but with a soft redirect to the category? I guess we need an administrator. Katr67 17:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Final discussion after review: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States musicians (2nd nomination) Katr67 04:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Deleting of wikisource links

There is no rule under which your deletion falls. Wikisource is a sister project which means the two are complimentary and items posted there are certainly legitimate targets for links here. Those links don't have to meet the requirements that articles do. Wjhonson 06:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You are again making assumptions about the reason for my deletions. It has nothing to do with the link being to Wikisource. But the links deleted do "not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have". In other words, a casual user of Wikipedia would expect an external link to immediately give him or her more information about the article's subject. See here. I have no problem with external linking to Wikisource, however, at the present time, the link to the page provided offers no relevant encyclopedic information that enhances the subjects at hand without a lot of digging. I'm really just here to make good, factual, tightly written, encyclopedic encyclopedia articles, and I'm growing weary of your attempts to get around community consensus regarding your cause. Again, I say: You are not helping your case. Please take any further discussion of my work on any permutation of Catherine/Kittie/Kitty May Ellis to the mediation page. Katr67 06:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Because you have been part of the cause for the situation about which you now complain. The article is certainly enhanced by linking to primary materials. Any editor can see that. Wjhonson 06:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

What exactly is because I have been part of the cause? Your assumptions about my motivations? I guess I am not "any editor", since I disagree that the link to your material enhances the article in question. Nor are any of the other editors who have deleted the link "any editor." Your implication of "any fool can see" does not make me particularly eager to work with you. Katr67 07:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

If the only issue is that you want less digging all you have to do is work WITH me to figure out how to do that. Doesn't that seem more reasonable than this antagonism? Wjhonson 07:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

How am I being antagonistic? It certainly seems like you are being an antagonist by calling my deletions vandalism, making what appear to me to be assumptions and implications about my editing, etc. Heck, I tried to show you how to do the mediation thing properly. Several editors and administrators have given you all the tools and advice you need to go about accomplishing your goals. All I ask is you stop adding your material until it is able to pass review, as one admin suggested. People are not fighting you on this because they have nothing better to do, are hostile to local history, or any reason other than that they feel your material is not ready to be posted on Wikipedia. Katr67 07:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You are being antagonistic by making no attempt whatsoever to work out the issue. My additions did not step on anything you were doing. Your deletions however do step on what I'm doing. And deletions of valid useful relevant links *are* vandalism. My wikisource material does pass review, and there is no reason to remove the links to it. If you want to work with me to fix up the situation better, than fine work with me. Wjhonson 07:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Here. Katr67 08:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Now see [3] I've made this link go directly to a particular event in Tarkio's history. It really isn't hard to work with me, as long as you talk to me. Wjhonson 18:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I was going to say that that's much better. I have no quarrel with the link now. Katr67 18:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Wjhonson 19:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Award

		The Original Barnstar
		For work on Pacific Northwest places, competence and civility. Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Oregon communities

No problem... unless someone goes around needlessly reverting and otherwise being obnoxious :), I wouldn't consider congruent editing to be stalking. Especially from someone I've chatted with before, and who isn't patently obnoxious.

At any rate, are you aware of Wikipedia:U.S. cities without articles? It's got a list of many communities which are referenced within Wikipedia, but don't have articles. I've added a few myself. At any rate, go ahead and pick a bunch off the list; someone should write an article on Nimrod, Oregon. And I don't mind at all any stylistic edits to the articles; they're not mine, after all.

Cheers, --EngineerScotty 16:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I went and created a stub about Nimrod, Oregon--but it's very stubby. PLEASE add more if you got it! --EngineerScotty 21:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

More Oregon Stuff

Do you live in the Eugene area? Just curious--you seem to be focusing on that area (and know all those towns along the McKenzie River by heart). If you're into pirate stuff, have you read the article I wrote a while back on the world's greatest pirate band? Yar, and all that. :) --EngineerScotty 21:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

NowTowns.com

I'd appreciate it if you would have looked at the nowtowns.com website before declaring it a "redundant commercial link" and removing it from the Corvallis and Albany articles. We don't make money off of visitors and we don't have any advertisements on the site. It is actually a useful and content-rich site with lots of detailed information about local businesses, events, movie theaters, classified ads, discussion forums, etc... Much more useful than visitcorvallis.com or www.el.com/to/corvallis - seriously, look at the site and then compare it to the other two just mentioned and decide what would be most useful to someone interested in learning more about Corvallis. If NowTowns isn't allowed, those sites should be removed also.

Please reconsider. Thank you! Dmron 21:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Tillamock Rock Light

Hi, thanks for stopping by my page. You must've missed the discussion about lighthouse names a while back. It was decided that "Light" is the preferable term to "Lighthouse" as the Google searches come out about even when Wikipedia mirrors are discounted. Plus the official names of the station are XX Light according to both the United States Coast Guard [4] who are the sole operational entity for all US lighthouses and by the US National Park Service which owns a good portion of the land that many of these coastal stations sit on per the link you provided on my talk page. Since these two entitites control all lightstations it was deemed their naming convention is the official and appropriate one to use. Any remaining "Lighthouse" or "lighthouse" are slowly being chnaged to "Light". Gateman1997 02:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh as for the redirects we can probably just leave them since they're all single redirects that I can see. And it wastes more wikiresources to modify the redirects then to leave them.

No worries. I believe the discussion was at List of US Lighthouses. As for the lists I believe List of XX Lighthouses still works as that is what both governing bodies use when referring to them as a group. Also would you be interested in starting a Lighthouse wikiproject with me? I've been meaning to catch up on these great towers but got sidetracked for months with highway articles and all sorts of other nonsense. Gateman1997 02:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Neskowin, Oregon

I noticed you dropped by a second population on Neskowin, Oregon. Why? You might also want to check over Twin Rocks, Oregon, and Springbrook, Oregon, and the Barview disambiguation page (new articles, I've tried to make them look similar to Whiteson and Bellevue.) Zinc2005 16:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Spokane

Can you please explain how the Spokane article reads like an ad. It does nothing to post that and tell people to go to the talk page if you don't explain what makes it look like an ad. SpokaneWilly 03:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, i will work on keeping those kinds of words out of the article, i happen to be a spokane lover just like the people who put those words in. but my love of spokane is met by my love of wikipedia. If you do keep seeing those kinds of words let us know again. Thanks SpokaneWilly 20:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

added Monitor, Oregon

Just FYI.. I don't have a copy of OGN, so your filling in from that publication is much appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EngineerScotty (talk • contribs) 22:38, August 3, 2006 (UTC)

The Dalles, from the user who edited the Oregon papers entry

Hi, Katr. I'm Howard Yune, the one who recently edited and tidied up the "List of newspapers in Oregon" page.

By way of background, I'm a reporter for the Appeal-Democrat, the daily newspaper of the Yuba City-Marysville area north of Sacramento, Calif. But previously, for three years, I wrote for The World in Coos Bay, Ore., which is how I learned about that state's newspaper industry.

To answer your question about The Dalles... as I say, I mean no disrespect to the Chicago Manual of Style (though I use the New York Times stylebook for my own correspondence). When I refer to the use of the article as regional style, I mean that indexing it under "T" instead of "D" is the custom both among the regional media and the regular people. Actually, it has never seemed a controversial point in Oregon itself; it's treated as nonchalantly as the absence of an apostrophe in "Grants Pass," for instance.

Katr, I haven't yet been a copy editor, but I'd love to get the chance someday, so great is my passion for clean copy - and that's why I take the trouble with "The Dalles" and other such matters. :-)

Write me anytime, whether on Wikipedia or to my e-mail account, HowardLive@juno.com.

Cheers, Howard

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.10.3.29 (talk • contribs) 01:07, August 13, 2006 (UTC)

The White Train

I remember that! Not much about it, but I remember it. Go for it. Twisted86 05:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Port of Coos Bay

I made it redirect to Coos Bay, the article describing the bay (as opposed to Coos Bay, Oregon, which describes the city). The article Coos Bay already has some info on the port.

Feel free to make it a separate article though.

--EngineerScotty 18:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

class="plainlinks">Leave me a message here. If I left you a message, you can reply either here or on your talk page. I will be watching both. If you leave me a message, I will generally reply on your talk page. If you have other preferences, let me know. I'm flexible. Thanks!

removing local businesses from Woodburn listing

Hello,

I noticed that you removed the Local Business entry on the Woodburn, Oregon page. In your message you state that it is spam. However, it is not spam to feature locally owned and operated businesses on the page. If people are interested in Woodburn, they might want to know about housing developments, local commerce, and companies that have contributed to the growth of Woodburn. I would appreciate it if you reinstate this section. Thanks,

Darren Baker Vice President Dijahnelos Homes, Inc Woodburn, Oregon

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.182.228.175 (talk • contribs) 12:42, August 24, 2006 (UTC)

Rome, Oregon

Thanks for helping me out there. I reinstated the infobox, but commented it out for the time being until I can find the respective facts.Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh wait I see why you removed it. I'll self revert.Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Reed Opera House and McCornack Block Addition

Looks good. Couldn't resist a minor edit myself, though.... Twisted86 04:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Klamath

Obviously I am just new to this but hey I am being bold, which is what we are supposed to do!

You acknowlede that the water war issue should be discussed but the cut it out entirely? COme on, fix up the stuff, but to just erase it all?

ok, so fix my speeling errors but at least leave the headline/title, water wars, this is not point of view, this is acknowledged event,I dont know anyone who disagrees with the title war, struggle or war, it was a war, I know, I was there I come from a farming family, what? And I acknowledge the tribes side in this?

>>>but as written this violates WP:NPOV and needs to put into wiki style and made more encyclopedic. Thanks. Katr67 21:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

sure so fix the npov although I think it violates it not much, more it violates your sensibilities, to make it more encyclopedic, sure, go for it, make it more encylopedic, fix the spelling errors, get more references, but hey , this all happened,

look, you may be the spam guard, the gate keeper of all oregon small towns, but who made you the moral guardian for white society? if the issue, does need to be dealt with AT LEAST leave the subject heading...to cut it all, speaks of censorship.

Am I intense? Sure, I am NEW at this, am I angry, maybe, angry that EVERYONE i discuss this with shuts it down and doesnt want to deal with it, then I come to a free place to speak and I get deleted, more frustration than anger.

Also, if you live in eugene, you may want to visit with my grandmother who knew opal whitly, you could garner more cool stuff from her.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.24.43.45 (talk • contribs) 10:28, August 30, 2006 (UTC)

Short answer: because I'm at work and should be working, don't like leaving articles looking half-finished, and want to give this the attention it deserves. I'll be in touch. Katr67 17:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Um... "moral guardian for white society"? I don't think so. Don't make assumptions about censorship. Katr67 17:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. SO work already, ;-) but thanks for leaving a heading so I can feel that HEY MY FIRST TIME, I am not longer virginalwikiman, I got content. Ok, is that ok to say, sorry...17:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

To continue, I want to touch base with your ideas of "placelessness" and generica. As the Klamath Tribal article is presently written, I find it rather bleached white. No color toward the locale or to the people. I don't think acknowledging current racism is a crime to edit out. I think it very much needs to be discussed. I notice in the wikipedia racism article, there is absolutely nothing on current racism practiced both individually and institutionally towards Native Amercian's, perhaps hot topics are too hot for wikip. I hope not. Are we in agreement with the basic understanding that this current racial issue is something that indeed wikipedia is made for? Yours Sincerely dlbH

why do our UTC time codes not really work? I mean you corrected me almost immediately but the time code shows seven hours later.

20:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I am newly signed up now. So anyways, how many times did you revert me? I slowly start to get it, but even now, I don't really understand its implications. Is fun. Enit?

--Liaison1 22:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

This is addictive isn't it? --Liaison1 23:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

just a howdy

Hey now, Thanks for cleaning up Christmas Valley and for righting my errant switcheroo. I'm still a newbie and will try to restrain myself. Before the year is out, I'm moving to Christmas Valley from Southern California, where I've lived most of my life. You have a very cool User page which I will also restrain myself from co-opting in any way, but may well look to for clues on how to build one properly.

Great work on Oregon.

Pat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Duff (talk • contribs) 11:20, August 31, 2006 (UTC)

Ellis F. Lawrence

Wow! He was a busy architect. But I'm confused. Are all of those building on the NRHP? What is different about the "Other buildings" section?

Also, perhaps E.F. should be included in Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon. Twisted86 18:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Magic Mile

Thanks for the compliment. It still needs work though, and I'm waiting for responses from historians to fill in the blanks, but at least I know where the blanks are now.

How did you know it was changed and respond so quickly? Do you have like 6,000 articles on your watchlist? — EncMstr 23:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

redun links

I don't think its reduntant to remove the astoria column from points of interest. Its is a point of interest. I would put both links back Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thisuser (talk • contribs) 19:14, September 17, 2006 (UTC)

Eugene, Oregon

Hi Katr67. Removing that statement is entirely appropriate, I feel no great need to revert it back in. I agree, its one of those things thats unlikley to be backed with reliable sources. Thanks for your diligence. All the best, Gwernol 19:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Linking dates/official titles

Yep, aware of that with dates. And your hunch was right — in this case, I think it provides context for the article. I would be interested to know what else was going on in that year. Official titles: I debated about those.... I finally went with gut. Happy happy. Twisted86 21:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Patricia Leines

Leines is probably best left not wiki-linked... she is at the bottom of my priority list for creating beauty pageant titleholder articles right now and it will be difficult to find sources etc for a 1996 titleholder... but yes she is notable because she competed in Miss America, and even more so because she placed 2nd runner-up. I appreciate the Miss Oregon article is sparse at the moment but when I get a chance I will add the winners table and she will appear there. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 01:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Lol its not quite enough to make an article yet (and as I say she's at the bottom of my priority list :P) but I did actually find some press coverage, so unusual to find stuff that far back!: [5], [6], [7] (the last one doesn't talk about her being Miss Oregon but she's in the bottom right pic!) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 01:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Douglas-fir

Thanks! The Oregon trees cat is (as I guess you've seen) correctly at Coast Douglas-fir, as Douglas-fir is the genus page covering all the species of Pseudotsuga (from several countries). I'd guess the project tag should be moved across, too. - MPF 22:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Barlow

Hi again, Katr67. I added a Sam Barlow stub recently, and couldn't help but wonder if Barlow, Oregon was related somehow. Googling was uninstructive. Did you mention once that you possess a magic book of places in Oregon? Would it have the reason for naming the town? Maybe Sam lived there? Maybe his descendants did?

In the which-to-that conversion (as you just did in Mount Hood): why? Perhaps my Italian and Latin language experience is interfering, but seeing that makes me first wonder if the writer had trouble thinking of the right word. I don't remember anything about this in the Chicago Manual of Style, nor in several style manuals.... — EncMstr 19:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The Magic Book

Voila! There are four entries in Oregon Geographic Names:

Barlow, Clackamas County, Oregon
Barlow Butte, Morrow County, Oregon
Barlow Creek, Hood River and Wasco Counties, Oregon
Barlow Road

Of these, the creek and the road are named for Sam. The town is named for his son William. The butte is probably named for Daniel S. Barlow (unknown if related), who filed some records with the Bureau of Land Management regarding nearby land in 1908.

There is also a passing reference to another Barlow Butte, which is the source of the aforementioned Barlow Creek. This butte is named for Sam.

References

McArthur, Lewis A. (2003) [1928]. Oregon Geographic Names (Seventh Edition ed.). Portland, Oregon: Oregon Historical Society Press. pp. 52–53. ISBN 0-87595-277-1. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

— Twisted86 - Talk - at 06:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the handoff & assist. I thanked Twisted86 too. — EncMstr 07:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: WP:ORSH

Hi, thanks for the wonderful welcome. As you probably know, there's a lot to do with the highways right now, so I'll focus on that for now, rather than participating in the main Oregon WikiProject. Sorry I can't be of more help to you guys, but thanks again for the welcome. -- NORTH ^talk 23:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Silver Lake, Oregon

Well, see for yourself.... I sensed a certain dryness of wit in the writing of Mr. McArthur for this place. In other words, it's still pretty stubby. — Twisted86 - Talk - at 07:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Opinion wanted on Mt. Lassen

Hi---this isn't quite in Oregon, but I wanted to get some discussion on a recent re-name of Lassen Peak to Mt. Lassen. I mainly want to clarify for myself how to apply the naming conventions, not to religiously affirm one name over the other. If you're interested, have a look at Talk:Mt. Lassen and put down your opinion. Thanks! -- Spireguy 02:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

astoria movies

I think it would be cleare if the town had a separate section on movies. any reason why it was moved? thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisuser (talk • contribs) 1:19, October 7, 2006

Hi, as shown in my edit summary, I didn't move the movie section. All the movies are already mentioned in the history section, so I have deleted a couple edits adding a movie section as redundant. "Movies filmed in Astoria" may or may not justify a separate section. I personally don't think it's critical that they have a separate section, (unless the list is complete--(see imbd)) but if one is made, the existing info (which is properly wikified) needs to be moved, rather than having people who haven't noticed the properly wikified films in the history section attempt to start a redundant section. Thanks and happy editing! P.S. Don't forget to sign your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). - Katr67 01:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Roseburg, Oregon

Thanks! I'd been wanting to add a blurb about the Roseburg Blast for a while, and while I was there I saw that it needed a little work. I'm not very active these days, but I was glad to be able to accomplish one or two things of substance the last couple days. Keep looking over our Oregon places! Demi ^T/_C 02:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Linn City

Thanks. I try. I fancy myself a writer. A mcmurray 21:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Your edits were cool, I get a bit verbose sometimes. A mcmurray 21:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the kudos and full disclosure. ;)A mcmurray 04:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

So you're interested in the local dialect?

Me too. The one bit of trivia I usually mention is that as a child I learned the word davenport before the word sofa. Most of the other local dialect vocabulary that I'm aware of is either extinct (e.g., "cork boots", "tin pants") or more rare than a liberal Republican (when I was still doing my time in phone support years ago, I actually had a person calling from the Washington side of the lower Columbia say that his son was "skookum with computers"; I've never heard that word in the wild since).

BTW, which part of the state do you hail from? -- llywrch 16:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

So it sounds as if you live far enough up valley where you might hear the native drawl of the descendents of the Southerners who came to Oregon by wagon train? (Yes, this feature has been documented. I'll have to find my cites.)

Not trying to one-upsman you, but my other bit of trivia of the local dialect was that I've been told my parent's first argument they had after they were married (this was in 1948) was over what to call the tinsel they were hanging from the tree: my Dad (from Wisconsin) called it "icicles" & my Mom (Portland-born) called it "sleet". I won't claim that "Toll-house cookies" is a local dialect word, though. ;-)

BTW, thanks for the pointer to the PNW dialect page. I now need to look up my cites to add some more info to that page. -- llywrch 19:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Grass Valley, Oregon

Hello, You recently deleted my edit to the Grass Valley page. I realize the way it was previously written was unencylclopedic, so I rewrote it. This is not made up, it is complete fact. So, I hope you will allow this new edit to remain.

The city is also known for its gas station, "Gas and Diesel." People who stop at the station are treated to an extensive magic show, where, among other tricks, such as telling a person's age with a ruler, the gas station owner uses various denominations of American money and folds them in such a way that they look like familiar landmarks, such as the Portland State Prison and The Twin Towers.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.37.146 (talk • contribs) 03:50, October 11, 2006

Actually, it is not the way it is written that is unencyclopedic, it is the content. The features of one particular business in any given small town are usually not notable. However, I'll make a good faith effort to search Google and see how well known this particular business is. In the future, please remember to contact users on their talk pages and not their userpages, as you did on my user page today. Also, please sign your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). Thanks! Katr67 16:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, you did do a good job on the rewrite--thanks. I found two blogs mentioning the place, so what the heck, I even gave it its own header. Still not encyclopedic, but I'm in a generous mood. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else deletes it one of these days though. Katr67 03:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't vandalism

It wasn't vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven91 (talk • contribs) 0:46, October 12, 2006

What was it then? Katr67 00:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Whitney, OR

I will take a look at it indeed. Gracias. A mcmurray 17:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Alas indeed. Perhaps there is another similar one in existence in the public domain, I didn't even think about the fair use thing, oh well. Yeah there are other pics that could work, check the image gallery at Animas Forks, Colorado.A mcmurray 19:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Cheat-y fix to reduce red-links on Oregon's historic places list

Well, I think it's cheat-y, but some of the other states have done it. Making a separate page for each county. Or sectioning them, like List of Registered Historic Places in Georgia, A-B, etc. If nothing else, I'd make the Multnomah County entries their own page. There are sure enough of them, because of Portland. Just a thought... --Ebyabe 13:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Cherry Grove, OR

Katr67,

I am not happy with the edits you have made already to the info I typed in on Cherry Grove. I only entered a few sentences and you have already edited it to be incorrect.

You changed my sentence: "Cherry Grove is situated on the north bank of the Tualatin river as it comes out the Coastal Mountain Range."

to

"Cherry Grove is situated on the north bank of the Tualatin River near where it originates in the Coast Range."

Cherry Grove is quite a distance from where the Tualatin River originates. What I am trying to say is that Cherry grove is where the Tualatin River exits the Coast Range (thanks for your fix) and enters the Tualatin Valley. In other words the Tualatin River flows out of the mountains into Patton Valley, which then opens up to the Tualatin Valley. That is why I called you a busy-body. It would have been better if you asked me what I meant. Hopefully you understand and would not mind fixing it.

If you are a little more patient and wait until I have entered all the information I have on Cherry Grove, you can edit to your heart's content. But it is certainly going to slow me down if I have to type these big emails to you as I slowly enter in the data. I have a lot of information to enter on Cherry Grove. The intent was that I would give the article for my wife to edit after I have entered it. She is an editor and I need her help as English is not my first language.

thanks Booswig 03:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)booswig —Preceding unsigned comment added by Booswig (talk • contribs) 23:50, October 22, 2006

OSU

All the assignment was is to show that we could successfully enter inromation into an online Wiki. I really don't care what you do with what I wrote, just as long as it was up long enough for my teacher to see it, thus seeing I could enter info into a Wiki and giving me a grade. Please put what I had back up, I cant afford to not get the credit for this assignment. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattingm (talk • contribs) 06:08, October 25, 2006

See the reply from another user on your talk page. And don't forget to sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). Good luck. Katr67 12:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Waldo Park

No problem. I was just there for the first time last week, and found it interesting. Didn't have my camera with me at the time though, so I might have to come back if no one else takes one. I'm thinking it might be nice to work on articles for all of Salem's parks. I'll probably work on ones for Sunnyslope and Secor anyway, as I frequent those fairly regularly. Owen 00:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Wakonda

Dear Katr67,

I actually have a book about local history (I grew up around the Yaquina River), that has a still photograph of crew and principal cast members of Sometimes a great notion, and the book says that the photograph was taken during filming on the Yaquina River towards Elk City from Toledo.

Sincerely, Garr1984—Preceding unsigned comment added by Garr1984 (talk • contribs) 23:38, November 2, 2006

Reedville

Fell free to add, what I added is about it for my knowledge of the area. I only get mad at people who place things in the wrong city because they think an address makes it somewhere it's not. You would think they could look at a map, but I digress. Aboutmovies 01:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Bandon oregon wiki

Hi katr67

I probably don't have the time or energy to list the sources.I do apologies for that and if i am able i will list sources in the near future. I am not a writer but i am a former bandon resident and know the area well.It seemed like the Bandon wiki was mostly an ad for the golf resort.I was attempting to fill it out and give a broader view of the city.Feel free to make any changes you see fit. Thank you, Crusadex—Preceding unsigned comment added by Crusadex (talk • contribs) 04:00, November 3, 2006

Find and replace

Thank you so much for your tireless work today on the Oregon Route articles. I was amazed at how many spelling errors there were.

As for the find and replace issue on Interstate 82, there were a couple of minor problems. First, there's technically nothing wrong with linking to a redirect, and "fixing" them is generally advised against, so links like Ellensburg, WA in the infobox could have stayed as is. Also, by replacing every mention of "WA" with the word "Washington", the bullet points at the top of the notes section (such as listing the Tri-Cities) became too wordy. (That's not necessarily your fault, as it shouldn't have said "Kennewick, WA, Pasco, WA, and Richland, WA" either.) The third was in the browsebox at the bottom, where it should have remained the postal abbreviation, rather than spelling Washington out.

Basically, here's what I meant by my edit summary. I tend to avoid using find & replace (or however exactly you made that edit) because, believe it or not, humans are still smarter than computers. If you are going to use find & replace, make sure you actually go through everything making sure you actually want to replace it, rather than just clicking "Replace All". -- NORTH ^talk 20:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Philip Foster

I'm not certain this is the way to do this...but thanks, Katr for checking the Foster update. I am in the process of writing a Philip Foster History and archiving Foster ephemera, items etc. for Jacknife-Zion-Horseheaven Historical Society (Estacada-Eagle Creek-Springwater area) of which I am a board member. JZH owns and operates the Philip Foster Farm national historic site in Eagle Creek. As I do research, I find much of the postings of Oregon History on Foster are wrong, thanks to colorful Foster family histories and my mother, who published many articles. I am in the process of correcting information at other sites, including the End of the Oregon Trail site.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mimsy J (talk • contribs) 01:59, November 5, 2006

fixed

You're right... don't know why I was thinking 2007.

--EngineerScotty 19:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Orenco Station

I'm willing to create the page for OS, but I don't have enough time to do the article justice at this time. I need to do some research and try and find some non-developer info to use since I don't want to just give my own recollections (appreantly they frown on that sort of thing). So if you are willing to wait, I can get it done by the end of the year, till then I'll be working on Imbrie Farm and Hilhi, plus a few ORSupCourt justices as I already have that info. As to the Orenco / Orenco Station situation, I think of it like this: Orenco Station is a part of the Orenco neighborhood, basically just a development much like The Meadows in south Hillsboro if you know what/where that is. To me Orenco Station is not a neighborhood, but I'm probably being to picky and old school. I'm just not sure if you can have a neighborhood within a neighborhood? I'm not sure if that answers the question, but my support that at least Orenco is it's own place is that the school is Orenco Elementary, not Orenco Station Elementary. Aboutmovies 07:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Orenco & More

The Orenco/Station comment works for me. Thanks for beautifying the Old Scotch Church page, it looks great. I'm still learning the ins and outs of the Wiki formating. My new goal is tables! Question with references, my parents have a couple old plates that I think have info on Orenco's old school and the old church, any idea how to reference this sort of source? Thanks Aboutmovies 06:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Highway 35

Howdy. I'm the anon who asked if the article should include a note on the closure. Thanks for the prompt and effective editing. You rock. --70.218.82.174 22:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't all me, but you're welcome and thanks! BTW, if you like it here, be sure to sign up for an account. Katr67 02:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Californication

I wasn't trying to censor anything. It just makes more sense with regards to the lyrical content and artistic meaning of the song.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolf539 (talk • contribs) 21:02, November 14, 2006

That article isn't about the song, it's about the bumper sticker slogan. Please check the "see alsos" at the top of the article. Katr67 21:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Please see the the article's talk page. You can explain there how your edit makes more sense. It has pretty much been agreed upon by those of us who grew up in Oregon that that "Californication" is a double entendre. Unfortunately the entire article is based on original research, but if you can provide a citation that the word is *not* based on California+Fornication then it would be a legitimate change to the article. Katr67 21:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ashland, Oregon

Katr67,

Question about why you removed the link I added to Ashland Oregon...

The Ashland Chamber of Commerce is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that serves the Ashland community. The Chamber is a collection of business-minded people (some live in Ashland, some don't) who use the Chamber to promote their interest, i.e. business. They have a link on Ashland's Wikipedia page.

Friends of the Animal Shelter (FOTAS) is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that serves the Ashland community. We are a collection of animal-loving people (some live in Ashland, some don't) who use FOTAS to promote our interest, i.e a more humane society. We do not have a link on Ashland's Wikipedia page (for now).

So, as it applies to having a link on Wikipedia, what do you see as the difference between a nonprofit like the Chamber, and FOTAS?

Thank you for considering it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.241.87.171 (talk • contribs) 23:14, November 14, 2006

It's not a matter of who lives in Ashland and who doesn't, but the Chamber of Commerce has information of a more general nature about the city of Ashland, while your link is about a specific cause. Though I personally question whether CoC links are necessary external links, it is generally an accepted practice to have links to local chambers of commerce in articles about cities. Like I said on your talk page, Wikipedia is not, however, an indiscriminate collection of links. Any external links should be *about* the topic in question, and not merely *located* in the same place. If every non-profit that is located in Ashland had an external link in the Ashland article, the external links section would soon get out of hand. If you haven't already, please take a look at the links included in the post I left on your talk page. I'm just one editor, so if you'd like a second opinion, I suggest posting at the Village Pump. BTW, your adding the link to several articles is the behavior of a linkspammer. We prefer people add content, not links. One is also discouraged from adding links to organizations of which one is a part. Please see How not to be a spammer and Links normally to be avoided. Thanks. Katr67 23:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is a link to a discussion about linking to CoCs. The fact that they are often quasi-governmental is another point I forgot to bring up. Katr67 00:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

In-and-outs of Salem

Saw your snip of Salem, which I'd also done the other day (yesterday maybe?); I'd venture that that IP address on the previous edit from yours traces back to Salem; somebody's vanity-edit, something like adding "home of so-and-so, famous xxx nobody". Cute but not cigar, as Groucho used to say (I think it was him). Eugene's way bigger and should maybe be in the list; bigger than Boise isn't it? Vancouver WA should also be in the list I think as, if I recall, the fourth largest WA city, before Spokane in size enit?Skookum1 01:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I gotta run, but just had to say that actually, Eugene and Salem are roughly the same size now. You can see the back and forth about that on Eugene's talk page, I think... Katr67 01:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

NRHP

Yes the listings are up to date as of December 27, 2005. I actually have a much nicer county-by-county list from that date which I could email you if you want to use that as a base for your edits. --SFoskett 14:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Graphic Arts Center Publishing

The article about the company says that "It is one of the West's largest book publishers". That sounds notable. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 23:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Coquille Tribe

If you want a separate article, that is fine. But you need to be the one who writes up the distinctly separate article, since you are the one who wants it. You are the one who is fired up that they need to be separate, then make them separate. You are also the one, apparently, with the knowledge needed to write up a distinctly separate article. Do not just make a copy of the existing article, and declare it a separate article. This is just a duplicate, not a separate article. Duplicate articles waste space in the project and serve no useful purpose. One of the purposes of the redirect system is to avoid duplicate articles like you have created. - TexasAndroid 21:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to be uncivil, at least I don't think I was. I was, however, very frustrated at your revert comment where you told me to expand the article. I may know a lot about the project, and what is good on it or not, but I know very little about indian tribes. Asking me to expand an article on a tribe is at best a joke. I saw someone who created what is, in the start at least, nearly a forked article, who appears to know the subject, telling me, who knows nothing of the subject, to expand it. So I was very frustrated by that when I saw it.

I'm a wiki-gnome. Specifically I do a lot of clean-up work on the technical side of the project. Categories is where I most often work. And today I happened to be doing a huge amount of clean up on the categories of the tribe articles. I also clean up other thing I see "wrong" as I go along. I saw the apparent article duplication (which I'm now seeing is more a fork than a duplication), which had been sitting unedited by the editor for over a month and a half, and tried to straighten things out, only to be reverted and told to expand it myself.

So I came here and typed while frustrated. And because of that, I guess I typed in something of a "stern lecturer" mode, which I likely should not have done. I likely should have waited a bit before responding. Too late.

So while I apologize if I seemed out of line in my stern tone, please understand how rediculous it seemed to be to me to be told to exand an article on a subject I know little about. (And keep in mind, I do know a lot about what's good or not for the project, and it was in that point of view that I restored to the redirect in the first place.)

All that aside, you still have two pages with very similar intros, and a lot of potential confusion between them. So a few suggestions for when you get to cleaning things up. (And realize these are just IMHO and totally suggestions)

- Both pages Coquille Tribe and Coquille (tribe) desparately need "Other Uses" links at the top to each other, stressing what the other page is for.
- I wonder if there is some way to rename one article or the other to lesson the potential confusion. Maybe Coquille (tribe) to Coquille people, or something that helps show how it is different from the other.
- Both articles should make very plain in the first paragraph of the article exactly what it is that the specific article is about.

Anyway, I did not an will not revert a second time, so the articles are in your hands moving forward. - TexasAndroid 22:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Mission Mill

Next time its not too wet I'll see about some pictures of the mill. So it might be a few months.Aboutmovies 06:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Attention Please

I would just like to bring your attention to my reply to your comment on my own talk page. I await your response. Aspin Loeborka 07:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Mountain passes

Most of the American stuff in the articles I stubbed out came out of my old 1994 road atlas (Rand McNally, I think). The things about European passes was culled from various Web sites. Ksnow 23:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Ksnow

Thanks for correcting them. I'm glad someone else is paying attention. I started a major project to document them all, and then got sidetracked with my other geographic project on Switzerland. I might get back to them sometime to flesh out the stubs. Ksnow 22:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)Ksnow

Oregon Project Issues

Hi again.

I hope you don't mind my bringing these things up here, rather on the project discussion page. I think they are probably reflective of my newbie status, and don't want to clutter up the talk page there with them.

As you may have noticed, I've been busy trying to fill in some gaps in the topics relating to Oregon government, with particular attention to current and former office holders, as well as some other random Oregon-related subjects which have caught my eye. In so doing, the following questions have arisen:

Fair Use of promotional photos of public figures. As you may be aware, the official portrait of Gov. Kulongoski prepared for and distributed by his office in Salem was deleted on the basis that a free image was readily available. While I doubt that is true, I happened to be in possession of a press photo I had been given for the express purpose of further distributing it (I'm on the local Democratic Central Committee), and so uploaded a scan of it. It, too was threatened with deletion, and I discovered that I had unintentionally stumbled into an area where some administrators are taking draconian measures based on an interpretation of the policy for which there is no general consensus (as evidenced by discusion at Elimination of Fair Use Rationale in Promotional Photos of Living People. Since this has enormous implications with regard to illustrating complete articles on Oregon politicians and other priority areas within the scope of the Oregon project, I thought I should bring it to your attention. (As it happens, I had an "in" at the Governor's office and was able to speedily get official permission to release the portrait for publication and free redistribution, but this will not always be the case.) What are your feelings on this? And, should I avoid uploading press/publicity/campaign photos of Oregon politicians in future?
Template:Infobox_governor -- Most Oregon Governors have held prior offices. The Politician infobox accommodates including information on previous offices held, but the Governor box does not. Is it okay to substitute the Politician infobox in such cases so as to make the "at a glance" info more complete? Also, is there someone involved in the project with the expertise to adapt the Governor infobox to resemble the politician one in this regard?
Oregon project divisions -- I noticed the addition of this section on the project page with redlinks to three of the five divisions. Most of my work will fall within People or Government, with occasional forays into the other divisions. Unless you would prefer a more experienced project member to do it, I would be happy to create Division pages for the remaining ones that are redlinked, and maintain them until others step up to join in.

That's about it for now. I've added your userpage to my watchlist temporarily, so feel free to reply here, or on my talk page, or move the discussion to the project discussion, whichever you deem most appropriate. ---J-M Jgilhousen 01:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. You know, you've picked two areas in which I am not at all knowledgeable. Though I just fixed up that Ted photo on List of Oregon governors because no matter how you feel about him, being confronted with a fullscreen image is pretty scary :)

Image copyright completely baffles me--I've only uploaded 4 images myself, one for the Klamath Basin article and three for an obscure band called Neighb'rhood Childr'n.

Infoboxes are also not my forté, but I think it would be easy enough to add a line or two to the governor infobox so it resembles the politician one. Go ask about it on the infobox's talkpage and see if anyone has an opinion. If not, be BOLD!

As far as the project divisions, feel free to do whatever you want! You can use the existing subpages as models. The project itself has been pretty quiet, so don't know if you'll get much company. The user who created the project (from the ashes of a previous one that's languishing around here somewhere), PDXblazers, hasn't been around since September (he's a teacher). Someone you might ask about infoboxes is a very active new user and WPOR member, Aboutmovies, who created a bunch of new infoboxes for Oregon history. EngineerScotty is also fairly active and good at the nuts and bolts stuff. My pal Twisted86 might be able to help when he is finished with school this quarter. He's interested in the government stuff. Ajbenj is also into the government stuff.

The project isn't very active, but several of us are quietly plugging away at the the Oregon articles on our own. I was actually going to post to the Project about whether it would be OK for me to divvy the project members into active and inactive status. I think it would be nice to breathe some life into the project and perhaps work toward another FA (featured article) push. The last one several of us worked on was New Carissa. Anyway, that's what I see going on. I think you should post the above query to the Project page, and also may be ask about the image issues at the village pump. It's good to have someone interested in the WikiProject--maybe we can wake it up a little. :)

P.S. the article I started Government of Oregon could use all the help it can get. Right now its mostly a repository for redlinks of state agencies. If we ever want the Oregon article to reach featured status, we will need Government of Oregon, History of Oregon (currently a subpage of EngineerScotty) etc. to look good so we can use them as {{main}} articles under those headings in the main Oregon article. I hope that made sense. Katr67 02:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll continue to advocate for what I consider a more common sense approach to "fair use" images, particularly with respect to publicity photos of public figures. Since I am new to Wikipedia, I was hoping someone with more experience could take the lead, but I guess I'll learn the ropes of navigating our internal bureaucracy by just continuing to stumble through it.

I'll go ahead and set up the missing "Project division" pages, at least to give us a framework for keeping our work organized. I, too, am just "plugging away" as I find things that obviously need doing, and am in no way vying for a leadership role in the project. (In fact, I have more interest and expertise to bring to bear on the Christianity project, but it already has a very active membership, so perhaps I can be of more use as a native Oregonian on the state project. I do seem to find myself rolling up my sleeves on Oregon-related articles more than any others.)

I had already noticed the Government of Oregon and related articles you mentioned. As soon as I get some more experience under my belt, working on less comprehensive pieces, I'll turn my attention to them. This will have the additional side-benefit of perhaps eliminating some of the redlinks in the process.

On the "template" issue, I'll use the Politician one for now, and deal with revising the "governor" one later, again, to get more experience first. I appreciate the referrals to others who may be of assistance. Thanks.

It's great to be working with you. --J-M Jgilhousen 02:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Elk Cove

Hi. I left you some edits for "Elk Cove, Oregon" including a summary of the plot line from "Overboard", some color about the local Oregon surroundings, and most pointedly: Elk Cove is not fictional, the movie was a piece of enjoyable fiction. Since you appear to control this item and since I can not edit it, I hope you can read my proposed edits and will consider implementing them (in your own words) at your leisure. Be well... Note that one can verify all of what I included in the edits... I/m not interested in being personally involved with Wikipedia, but hope you do consider my request. I will check back to see if you had a chance to make this entry more accurate and bearing more of the story behind the film that led to Kurt and Goldie's own love story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.135.20 (talk • contribs) 05:29, December 1, 2006

If one can verify the information, I invite you to do so. In the meantime, I have reverted your edits. Katr67 09:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Oregon ANG Page

Thank you for the constructive help! I am learning how to add info to wiki and every tip helps. Yes, the military does (at least the Air Force) dumps the "n" in "nd" for a simple "d". Example 3rd, 2nd etc. Also once it is referred to in the "142d FW" the "d" can be dropped entirely (142 FW) which is the less formal and most common way of identifying an Air Force unit.

Keep sending tips my way. If you need any facts checked concerning the military or other items let me know. Cory...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bowerc (talk • contribs) 23:42, December 1, 2006

You're welcome. I'll be sure to ask if I need help with military stuff, it's definitely not my field, though I've ended up writing a few articles about Oregon-related military history, like Ordnance, Oregon, Camp White, Oregon, etc. I want to get around to writing an article on Camp Adair one of these days too. One more tip--be sure to sign your talk page posts with 4 tildes (~~~~), which results in a link to your user page and a timestamp. Happy editing! Katr67 23:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

picture

A picture for you...because you rock! Cacophony 08:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture

I noticed you requested a picture for Yaquina Bay Light, so I went out today and snapped a shot of it. Dark j e di requiem 01:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Awesome! It's a great pic--you certainly had good photography weather today. And I hope you had fun at the aquarium. Katr67 03:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! It was a pretty good day. I noticed you asked for the picture and decided to snap one since I live less than 10 minutes away. Both the aquarium and lighthouse was more of a trip for Wikipedia than anything else. I have loads more pictures to upload. :) In a round-about way I donated 6 bucks for camera batteries, and a couple dollars for gas to Wikipedia. (I get in the aquarium for free.) Better way than most to spend my birthday though! Thanks again, Dark j e di requiem 05:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Lucky! I want to live at the coast someday. Happy birthday! Katr67 05:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

History

Tried to get a pic of Mission Mill Museum yesterday, but my new camera malfunctioned. I'll try again Tuesday. Then after finals I'll finish up Champoeg Meetings, David Hill, Orenco, and then tackle Oregon Station. After that I'll see about coordinating with some other folks to flush out the History of Oregon pages.

Thanks for the award, and all the editing. Nice rock by the way, is that now of ProjectOregon?

As to stalking, its OK as long as there are no bunnies. But please don't try to kill Reagan to impress me. I'm happily married, and besides Reagan is dead. Though there is this one professor...

Aboutmovies 05:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. It's not an Oregon rock, but it rocks nonetheless. If I were of the sociopathic persuasion, there's a politician or two I'd rather take out first... Katr67 05:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Here are the pics, the are in wiki commons. Hopefully they work for you.

Image:SalemORLeeHouse2.JPG
Image:SalemORLeeHouse1.JPG
Image:SalemORMissionMill4.JPG
Image:SalemORMissionMill6.JPG
Image:SalemORMissionMill5.JPG
Image:SalemORMissionMill4.JPG
Image:MissionMill3.JPG
Image:SalemORMissionMill2.JPG
Image:SalemORMissionMill1.JPG

Aboutmovies 23:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

These are great--thanks! I'm going to go slap a NRHP infobox on that puppy right now. Hopefully I can work on the article this weekend. Trying to figure out if I can use my tour guide training packet as a reference... Katr67 00:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Government article

As you probably noticed from my contributions list, I haven't done much tagging or other editing today. I didn't want you to think I'd burned out already. I finished the "survey" process I undertook, although I am quite sure that I have not yet found a way to do a full text search, but enough ofthat for now.

I spent most of today reading more than I ever wanted to know about Oregon government. (I never really cared which agencies were divisions of which other ones, or who reported to whom, but these become significant when organizing an article.) Anyway, I am getting a clearer picture, but the way my mind works, I think I would get further by doing some articles on the agencies and offices first, and then tackle Government of Oregon. Otherwise, it would be so speckled with redlinks it would drive me quite crazy.

So, unless you really want me to work top down, tomorrow, I'll start de-redlinking Government of Oregon as it reads now; do articles on the major Departments, and meanwhile continue to gather material for the "big" article.

Oh, and on entirely 'nother subject --- I grabbed my camera before running a few errands today, hoping to grab a snapshot of Old St. Peter's, even though it would have been against a grey sky. Unfortunately, when I got there, they had spread out a huge ugly banner in front of the place promoting an evening concert... not exactly the view I wanted. At least you know I haven't forgotten. -- J-M Jgilhousen 05:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Argh, you slacker. Actually, I managed to get away from the computer for several hours today myself. Knowing the names of all those agencies and their subdivisions used to be part of my job. Crazy boring stuff. You know the saying about knowing how sausage and laws are made? It's true. But all you really need to know is that the Oregon Department of Administrative Services (DAS) runs everything. And you may not have even heard of them. Scary huh? My NRHP stuff is on hold for the moment too--like you I'd rather take care of all the redlinked cities before I tackle the buildings in them. And now I think I'm off to write about Azalea--it's the last "A" name that's somewhat noteable... Katr67 06:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Rex T. Barber

Katr67, I apologize if that came across as uncivil. I meant it more towards Wikipedia in general than to you personally. We're all volunteers on here. I just see so much information on here that's unsourced, and so I found it a little ironic that something as apparently minor as this guy's involvement in a youth organization was insisted upon being sourced. But, this does follow Wikipedia's guidelines, and will respect such efforts in the future. EOBeav 19:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No worries. You're right about there being a gazillion unsourced statements around here, but since someone had tagged that one, and then you said you knew it was true from personal experience, I couldn't let it slide. (I have reverted too many edits with summaries that say things like "This is true 'cos I was there, I saw the whole thing!" In fact, someone recently added something to an article about a situation where *I* was there, I saw the whole thing so I know it's true, but I slapped a {{fact}} tag on it anyway.) It's an uphill battle against entropy, but someone has to do it. :) So did you know the man? Sounds like he was a class act. Katr67 19:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I never knew him personally, but my brother has lived in the Madras/Culver area for quite a while, and has been familiar with Mr. Barber that way. My father and I were returning from the Bend area last summer when we crossed that bridge, and we had quite a discussion about Rex Barber. When I got home, I found that there was no article for him on Wikipedia, although his name was mentioned in the Admiral Yamamoto page. I went ahead and started one. I'm glad some other people have picked up the ball and run with it. You had mentioned something about the Oregon Wikipedia project. I will look into that a little further. I've also done some work on the pages for the towns of Hermiston and Athena.EOBeav 23:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC) <---Don't want to forget that! :-)

Thanks

Hey, thanks for paying attention to the Oregon AFL-CIO page and for making some great edits. You have a great eye for detail. This is my first page and I'm figuring it out as I go along. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiGolightly (talk • contribs) 05:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

You're welcome! I try. Keep up the good work. Katr67 18:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Mayor of Garden Home-Whitford, Oregon

It isn't nonsense. I am the mayor of Garden Home. Do your research. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Comradeqsp (talk • contribs) 06:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

OK. Google search: "Dan Philo" + "Garden Home" = 0 hits. Can you direct me to some sources? Katr67 07:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Seaside Signal

Thank you for making the corrections on the Seaside Signal page. In the future I will refrain from editing it as it is a conflict of interest according to the guidelines. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thedudejessemullen (talk • contribs) 19:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Peer Review?

I was wondering if you might give me a peer review on Executive Order 9835, I just wrote it. You know, if you have time, I can return the favor, of course. Thanks A mcmurray 05:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

9835 and such

Thanks for doing the spell check and such. I would review that article for you if you ever post it. The DYK process is pretty easy. Just nominate an entry, mostly if it adheres to the criteria (inline citations, NPOV, etc) it goes to the Main DYK. The page to nominate entries is here. Sorry my response took so long, been away a few days. A mcmurray 18:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Povey Bros.

I noticed you added Povey Bros. to your to-do list. I have some materials which might be useful in that regard. I've taken photos of all of the windows they installed in The Dalles Evangelical Church (not on the Historic Register), and intend to do the same for other installations in the gorge area (which include a couple other churches here in town and in Hood River, besides Old St. Pete's).

I could e-mail you what I have, or wait for you to get at least a stub up, and post them directly to your article, or perhaps you have another suggestion. -- J-M Jgilhousen 07:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. You might want to take a look at how little I've managed to actually write on Jim Redden. I'm keeping it in draft form in my User space until it's ready for more active collaboration. -- J-M Jgilhousen 07:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

My to-do list is a pipe dream, but since you have material, I'll try to get a stub up this weekend. I'm going to try to borrow my friend's digital camera and get some photos this weekend--one of the local historic districts is having an open house, and I'm sure there's some Povey Bros. stuff around here. Jim Redden is looking very good. Very interesting about the AIM controversy--I'll see if he got mentioned in In the Spirit of Crazy Horse by Peter Matthiessen. Katr67 18:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I know too well about pipe dreams. An occasional excursion into the world of the Poveys would provide me a welcome diversion from all the government and politics stuff. I think I'm gonna have to resort to creating some stubs in those categories... the redlinks are really distracting. -- J-M Jgilhousen 21:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Music of Oregon

Your comment on Wikipedia talk:Release Version Nominations has been duplicated to the right place : Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations/Set Nominations. Thanks for the help you provide to the V0.7 project. Lincher 20:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

John Day (1770-1820)

Hello! I have read your excellent postings, mainly on Oregon cities. For John Day (1770-1820), you changed the identifier from Hunter to Fur Trader. I originally wrote hunter because that was his primary occupation in the old Oregon Country. He was hired to hunt and provide game meat, first for the Pacific Fur Company's Overland Party in 1811-1812, and then at Fort Astoria from 1812-1814. Between 1814 and 1820 he was both hunting and trapping. He never acted in the capacity of "trader" in Oregon. I am going to change the identifier to "hunter and fur trapper." I'm writing a book on the man. Take care, and thanks for all your detailed contributions! --Nick Sheedy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by N.M.Sheedy (talk • contribs) 23:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

You're welcome and thanks for checking in. I think "hunter and fur trapper" is a little wordy, the identifier is mainly to help with disambiguation and I chose "fur trapper" for consistency with similar people, but if he wasn't a trapper, there is probably no need to include that part and you could go back to "hunter". I was just thinking it sounded kind of generic, I guess, and fur trader was more distinctive and more of his time and place, if that makes sense (whereas there might well be some guy around today named John Day who happens to be a hunter). Anyway, it might be worth asking at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people). It says that you should "try to limit to a single, recognisable and highly applicable word regarding the person at hand", so I'd say go with "hunter" for now, but perhaps something like "Oregon" might make him easier to identify? Or maybe (though it is more than one word) "Pacific Fur Company"? Katr67 05:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I see your point for the identifier for John Day and agree that "fur trader" is probably best, so as to link him with others in that field. I was perhaps splitting hairs with details. John Day was not a "trader"--he was a profesional hunter and later a freelance trapper. At that time, there was a legal distinction between fur traders, trappers and hunters. In the territory included in the Louisiana Purchase, and governed by the United States, it was illegal for any white men to hunt or trap commercially, and traders were allowed to trady with Indians only by license. As such, the industry generally set up trading posts and outfitted the Indians with traps and tools for hunting, and partered for pelts and skins. West of the rocky mountains, these legal restrictins did not apply, and the companies found that the indians were less willing to trap and trade, so they outfitted their own men to trap and hunt. John Day's occupation in the Oregon Country was as one of the lead hunters for the Pacific Fur comapany, and he supplied much of the meat to feed the company's men. He did some trapping after that, but was never a "trader" in the specific or legalsense of the occupation. Nick Sheedy 19:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks for your note

Thanks for your edits, especially the wiki help under the Astor Party... I'm still trying to learn all the wiki formating styles. My formatting might be lacking, but the information I want to share is accurate.--Nick —The preceding unsigned comment was added by N.M.Sheedy (talk • contribs) 18:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Boyd, Oregon

I needed a break from government and politics, and noticed there was no article on Boyd, Oregon, so I did one. My great grandfather owned the general store and post office there, and my family still has a wheat ranch nearby. I resisted the temptation to interject personal knowledge and recollections, and relied solely on published sources. Anyway, I thought I remembered your having an interest in defunct towns, and thought you might like to look it over... you're such a great copy editor. Also, I tried to use the "city" infobox template, but it doesn't really work for ghost towns. I could use a generic infobox if you think that would set the map off better. The last several weeks have been rotten for photography -- nothing but overcast, which creates uncharacteristic shots. I'll take some photos to illustrate articles on local and area subjects as soon as we have some decent weather... may have to wait til spring. -- J-M Jgilhousen 23:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Great! (And thanks for the compliment!) How cool to have those kind of roots in Oregon. I'm a first generation Oregonian--every generation in my family moved a little more to the west. I'm glad they ended up here though. Boyd has been on my list for ages. In fact, I've got the redlinked names of all the Oregon communities I run across on my watchlist, so I almost always see new community articles the day they get written. I'm doing a data entry project for one of the state agencies involving 55-year-old data, and seeing all the names of the little towns I'd never heard of is what sparked my interest in Wikipedia. I would google the names and every time Wikipedia:U.S. cities without articles would come up and I said "Hmm. I smell a project." There must have been quite a few people from there at one point, because the name comes up a lot. It's funny it doesn't actually link to anything. (I'll go add it to Wasco County.) I don't even bother with infoboxes on the tiny little places because I think it ends up looking silly, but if other people put them on, I leave them be. I just wikignomed a couple things on the article, and when I get home, I'll see if OGN has anything new to add. Great job on the article--it's a lot longer than the ones I usually come up with. BTW, did you check out the article on the Great Southern Railroad someone added recently? Katr67 00:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I qualify for "pioneer family" membership in the Old Wasco County Pioneers Association on both sides of my family. My grandfather (son-in-law of the previously mentioned Boyd merchant) homesteaded on Fifteen Mile Creek, moving to town to provide a better education for his daughters. His uncle was a photographer, back when it was a young profession, and taught the trade to several relatives, so our Family Association has an incredible archive of photographs. I'll be uploading some of them. I'm afraid that when I was young, I harbored somewhat of an inferiority complex about my rural background, preventing my appreciation of what, in fact, is a rich heritage.

Regarding infoboxes, I'm fond of them, because I use Wikipedia quite a bit to grab quick bits of data, and I like having the basics summarized in "at a glance" form. You're right that on small articles it does unbalance the page, but I've been placing them anyway, hoping it would provide further incentive for people to expand both the articles and the infobox data. I'll think about that some more given your comment. Perhaps my use of them should be more judicious.

It hadn't occurred to me that someone would have gotten around to doing an article on the Great Southern. I've walked its roadbed often... it runs through our ranch. It was very important to Shaniko during its heyday, too. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I had no idea of the origin of the building to which the article refers, which does appear quite out of place in its current location at the base of Brewery Grade here in town. It now houses a couple of businesses, and I had a friend who lived in an apartment in its second story. I'll grab a snapshot of it for the article. This is great. -- J-M Jgilhousen 02:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Joel Palmer

Hi Katr67! Knowing your behavior, you have no doubt read Joel Palmer. As there are no revisions, it's probably the case you haven't got around to making any revisions or suggestions yet. (I have trouble believing there is nothing to find.) Alas, I found his Journal online after several days work resolving the various references. With the discovery of that incredible resource—which I spent hours and hours reading just to get to page 168 of 311—the article can be corrected and expanded greatly. It looks like most biographies condense the information to the point of being misleading. For example, while they were looking for a way over south Mount Hood, there was fairly regular stream of other parties coming and going, bringing provisions from The Dalles. Anyway, I invite you to comment/revise mercilessly to help guide the direction of the next round of revisions. — EncMstr 20:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw you wrote it, but believe or not, I haven't read it yet. (Trying to have a life outside Wikipedia, doncha know.) Thanks for the invite--I'll be sure to take a look at it tonight. (Or this afternoon if I come out of my post-office party food coma.) I'm glad my efforts are appreciated by most. I do tend to stick my fingers in all the Oregon pots. :) BTW, I ordered the book that lists all the people whose names are painted in the house and senate chambers at the Capitol--hopefully it will be a good resource. Katr67 21:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mt. Hood

I am most pleased to run across an Oregon maven. :) I got lectured (indirectly) by an editor for writing something about glaciers "softening" in warm weather. I admit I don't know much about glaciers. I wonder if you know: It's clear why December climbing is risky, especially on the north slope. But why is it (or is it?) dangerous to climb during the late spring and summer. Apparently the glaciers don't "soften", so is it simply that the snows on top of the glaciers melt, and crevaces open up? Because the crevace on the hogsback is not visible in the winter, just in the warmer months. Thank you. :) Wahkeenah 02:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Wahkeenah. I may be an Oregon maven, but I don't know much about glaciers either. You might want to check in with User:EncMstr, since he's (I'm assuming he's a he, I've never asked) the one who took that part out. Better yet, find a source. I'd go look for one, but I'm busy catching up on a bunch of edits I promised I'd make. Cheers! Katr67 02:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing my userID might ring a bell. :) I might have a book on Mt. Hood that goes into that subject more. I think that book also has a list of all the catastrophes on the mountain (as of 1991 or so), which would probably be overkill (pardon the metaphor) for the article. But it might be interesting to list the first fatality on the mountain, and maybe the one where someone got too close to the fumarole of this "dormant" volcano and suffocated. Like many mountains, Hood is both beautiful and sinister. That may be one reason mountains have often been likened to mythological gods. Wahkeenah 03:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Otter Rock, Oregon

Hi Katr67; Otter Rock, Oregon could use some work; care to work your magic? Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I'm on it right now. :) Katr67 21:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Very nice. Thank you. Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions -- State political offices and government agencies

Confession: The MoS and other policies and guidelines are so voluminous, I have to admit that I had not read the entire section on naming conventions, and have been relying solely on the "most popular name" provision when creating articles.

Recently, I had occasion to delve into it more thoroughly, and it seems that I may be running afoul of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (government departments and ministers) as I go through Oregon government and politics to fill in gaps, de-redlink, etc. In mitigation, I appear to be in good company, as I browsed through the correlary articles for California, Wisconsin, and a few other states before starting to name government-related articles, and they seem to be equally noncompliant with the guideline.

Since I expect to be creating a good number of articles in the next few months, I want to prevent the occasion arising where our noncompliant naming conventions becomes an issue requiring the renaming of a daunting inventory of articles. On the other hand, neither do I want to use a naming system that is so inconsistent with the ones which already exist within the scope of the Government and Politics subgroup.

The logical course would seem to be to rename the existing articles according to the guideline, and then follow it in the naming of future articles. Frankly, I am not keen on interrupting the research and writing I'm doing in order to undetake such a massive "clean up" project. Any thoughts? And should I move this discussion to the project, sub-group, or other talk page? -- "J-M" Jgilhousen 01:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be good to copy this discussion to the sub-group talk page, with a note on the main project talk page. My professional bias would be to name things according to what the state calls them, with redirects from what people might actually search for. I believe this automatically "pre-disambiguates" them as most of the state agencies have the word "Oregon" in them. Can you give some examples of articles you feel don't fit with the guideline? BTW, a quick rummage through my training materials from the legislature does not reveal an official list of state agencies and divisions but if there are any questions in this regard, I'm pretty qualified to figure them out. (See answer to ORS question, below.) Katr67 22:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Except for this line, done... and thanks. -- "J-M" (Jgilhousen) 22:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Inline citations

It appears that my liberal use of the ref tag to mark what content I have gotten from where is idiosyncratic, but everyone has been too polite to call me out on it. I understand that too many reference tags diminishes easy readability, but I am adding so much content right now, I don't know how else to keep track of what statements of fact I've gotten from where, and have already been bitten with a few Template:fact insertions, and other challenges as to sourcing. Care to provide some guidance? -- "J-M" Jgilhousen 01:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry to "spam" you by posting twice within minutes, but since they were on entirely different subjects, thought it best to separate them.

No worries. I just got done messing with the Peter French article and need a break, but I'll give both matters some thought and get back to you. Katr67 01:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I haven't run into too much trouble in this regard, but my citation style is pretty random. I tend to go with whatever is prevailing on the page, though sometimes I stick embedded refs in as a stopgap, because frankly, using citation templates properly is a real pain during a quick and dirty wikignoming. I think I've also left the inline cites out and simply listed all my sources in a "References/External links" section. As I become more experienced, I tend to add more and more citation tags, though in the past I figured one citation at the end of a paragraph would suffice for the whole paragraph. Like you though, I've started using more than one source and blending the information, which necessitates the use of more tags in order to keep track of what comes from where. My most ridiculous amount of sourcing is in Neighb'rhood Childr'n, but nobody has read it, so no one has complained. :) (And in fact, I mixed templates with embedded refs, 'cos I was lazy.) I think using citation templates is a definite improvement in readability over embedded citations, though they do tend to make the readability in the editing box worse. If we are writing a real encyclopedia, and I think we are, then I think the emphasis should be on properly sourced information over readability (and I think Jimmy Wales would agree), because people naturally get used to ignoring footnotes if they so choose. If a person is not used to reading, say, professional journals or the like, the sourcing will seem annoying, but I doubt we should worry about it too much. I don't think there is going to be a solution that will please everybody--the minute you decide to not cite something that seems really obvious when you've cited everything else in a paragraph, I just bet someone will come along once in a while and slap a {{fact}} tag on it. On the other hand, the most ridiculous assertions sit unreferenced for months and nobody even questions them. Has anyone actually said anything to you about unreadability? I could see it if you cite every word, just like when people overlink things. But I haven't noticed that you overcite things.

Most of my edits have been creating articles from scratch, or doing a major expansion (usually from an existing stub of a paragraph or less). What brought the question up is that I have had people come through and remove all of my cite tags from where I had put them inline, and move them all to the reference section, where they had appeared with the reference/ tag already. I found it annoying, not because of a sense of ownership of the article, but because it effectively erased all track of which facts had been confirmed by which sources. And, no, nobody has mentioned readability to me, but it is mentioned as a consideration in the MoS, and my eyes aren't what they used to be, so I sometimes have trouble tracking lines that are packed with lots of blue superscripted brackets and numbers. And I hate the way line spacing is altered on lines with superscripts, which is as much an aesthetic sensitivity as an ocular problem. Like you, I have already settled into a pattern of holding my inline refs to the end of the paragraph, unless it's to document a source for a fact or quote that I think might be particularly open to challenge. That's about as far out on thin ice as I want to skate at this point, especially since so much of my work is in Government & Politics where cool heads tend not always to prevail. --"J-M" (Jgilhousen) 09:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

One final thought: In my college nature-writing class someone complained when I listed the Latin names of various critters in my paper after the common name, and I thought, well, if Barry Lopez can do it, why can't I? Of course, I'm no Barry Lopez, and I was writing for college students, not scientists, so I grumpily revised my draft and took out the offending Latin names. So when thinking about readability, consider your audience. For what level of reader are we writing Wikipedia? Katr67 23:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, since I'm enough of a dinosaur that I actually still pray in Latin, I think my obvious bias should prevent my commenting on the particulars of this anecdote, except to say that I appreciated reading it. I have no clue about our audience, and should think that it would vary radically according to content matter, as evidenced by the activity on the talk pages of, say, the Oregon High School articles as opposed to those on biographies of Oregon Pioneers. I would like to think the profile of readers of most of the articles I write would be a closer match to Britannica than World Book, but if I'm wrong, please don't disabuse me of that fantasy. It's a case of ignorance probably being bliss, and anyway, I intend to write as if it's true (or in as close a manner as I am able given my own educational and writing talent limitations). And of course we're contributing to a real encyclopedia, although I am sure there are many who would assert that my credibility with regard to reality is deeply undermined by my Faith... and so it goes. Thanks for acting as sounding board. It is of immense help. You probably noticed that I signed up for the adoption program, and in fact, became an adoptee. I tend to call upon you for precisely the advice I was seeking in that program. Lucky you, eh? -- "J-M" (Jgilhousen) 09:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

ORS 401.615 meaning

Hey, Katr, maybe you understand the gibberish the legislature spews out. If you wouldn't mind, would you look at this which seems to say a law was put into effect, and this (especially the note just before 401.610) which doesn't seem to include it, except for recognizing the former. Confusing, eh? What does it mean? — EncMstr 08:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, a question I can answer! Either House Bill 3434 did not become law, or it has since been repealed. I would guess the former--if you look at the bracketed notes at the end of each statute, there are no changes that occurred in 1995. Give me a sec, and I'll see if I can find the tables for the 1995 session where one can figure this out. The note is confusing, but what it means is the legislation that enacted 401.605 to 401.635 did not include a section such as section 1 of HB3434 including those statues in the chapter. So the lawyers at the Legislative Counsel placed the new statutes in the the most logical chapter of ORS, but they are not actually *part* of the chapter. This is to make clear that the action of placing the statues there is editorial, not legislative. Yep, it's weird. Katr67 18:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, 1995 legislative history is here. It appears HB3434 passed, but maybe did not get added to the ORS chapter. Now going to look at Oregon Laws. Katr67 18:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the bill as it was actually enrolled. No mention of adding it to ORS Chapter 401, so it resides in Oregon Laws 1995, which unfortunately is not online. The first 7 results of this search will show you all the amendments and such, if you're interested or masochistic. The bill you found was in its initial form, before being meddled with by both houses. It's the enrolled bill that matters, because bills are subject to being completely changed, including by the popular "gut and stuff", in which only the "relating to" clause stays the same. Anyway, for whatever reason, Oregon Laws 1995, Chapter 570 was not added to ORS. Katr67 18:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

It's probably just as well. I ran across some interesting materials arguing both sides of the issue—whether sufficiently "stupid" people needing rescue should pay. I've been looking for a place to put that, it seems a stretch in the Mount Hood, current incident article. Thanks for looking into that. At least I correctly got the flavor of it: that it is confusing. — EncMstr 05:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Trillium Lake

Is this a naturally-occurring pond? Or isn't that an earthen dam I see in the photo? Wahkeenah 23:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea and I couldn't find a reference to the fact that it was an artificial lake with a quick google--that's why I tagged it. Judging by the photo is original research. I just searched on "Trillium Lake" with "dam" and see that it is indeed a dam, so I guess it is an artificial lake. It would be good to find a source with some history about it. Katr67 23:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly suspect Trillium is a natural lake, judging by its bottom (snorkel and scuba) and the lakeshores away from the dam. A forest service gravel road was built along the downstream side and that is probably the reason for a dam being built later to compensate for the damage to the lake the road builders inflicted. Gollie! That should be hard to find record for. I bet everyone involved wished it was forgotten. — EncMstr 05:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Oregon Railroad & Nav vs Oregon Ry & Nav

Thanks for creating the article and the OR&N one. I had assumed they were two names for the same thing, and since I got more google hits for Railway, I changed some of the references in articles from Railroad to Railway. Since you say you have the reference books, would you consider checking the "what links here" for the Railway article and make sure the references to the Railway are still accurate? Thanks for your help! Katr67 04:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rhallanger"

They are two distinct, yet related, railroads. Oregon Railway & Nav was the first, it started in 1879 and ran until 1896. It built a 643 mile that made up the core of the Oregon Railroad & Nav. Oregon Ry & Nav started out by buying two smaller railroads that ran along the OR side of the Columbia River and then connecting the two small lines with a full routs running adjacent to the river. The railway was a Subsidiary of the UP, at least since 1888 (when ICC started listing) and perhaps before that as well. Why did they change the name to Railroad in 1896. It was sold and reorganized (through still a UP Subs). What changed in 1896 that would bring about a name change. Here's what happened - typically railoads modified their name after a significant change or internal reorgnanization, sometimes it was a result of changing from Narrow-Gauge to Standard Gauge, other times it was due to the line being electrified.

Reorganization is what led to the name change from Railway to Railroad in 1896. The Railway had two non-operating subsidiary railroads (below). In 1896 the two non-operating subsidiaries and the Railway were sold (reorganized- still UP Subsidiary) as the Railroad. The reorganization brought the railway and the two subsidiaries under one railroad. 69 miles came from the Oregon Railway Extensions Co, a non-operating subsidiary of Oregon Railway & Nav - the railroad ran from Winon, WA - Seltice, WA and from La Grande - Elgin, OR. The other line that made up the "new" railroad was the 154 miles of the Washington & Idaho Railroad that extended the Railway into Idaho. It too was a non-operating subsidiary of the Railway and had two lines. One line ran from Tekoa-Rockford to Spokane (Falls) WA. The other line ran from Tekoa WA to St. Joe, ID and then Wallace ID with branches from there to Burke and Mullan. Rhallanger 05:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Oregon Government Stub Tag

Do I really, honest to God, have to go through the bureaucratic approval process before making and using Template:Oregon-gov-stub? I'm not sure there are yet 30 candidate articles, but there soon will be, and I'd rather be doing the researching and writing rather than assembling a list, posting it, and waiting, then going back through to replace the more generic tag, etc. "There are no rules" is seeming more and more like a fantasy by the moment. -- "J-M" (Jgilhousen) 06:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Yeah, I think you really do. I merrily created a stub category after seeing that someone had created an unauthorized stub for Oregon sports venues and found out after seeing it slapped with some sort of deletion tag that that was sort of a bad idea. Discussion here if you're interested. (Speaking strictly for myself, it's a kind of a stub categories for dummies primer.) It turned out OK, I learned some stuff, but yes, the stub sorters keep really good track of things. Though I cleaned up the mess I made, I also chose to ignore the fact that {{Oregon-bio-stub}} is kind of unorthodox because that one wasn't my fault and it seems to be pretty handy. Katr67 06:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I read the primer, which was precisely why I was hoping to avoid having to jump through all of its hoops. One of these days, I'd really kinda like to get back to writing. Once I discovered the MoS I started a downhill slope that is rapidly taking me into full-time administration work with no time left to actually compose anything. Hrrrumph. OK. I'll finish creating thirty stubs, then post the !@#$#@ing proposal. Sheesh. -- "J-M" (Jgilhousen) 09:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tigard

Wow. I didn't know we even had an article on Bull Mountain. (That's why I didn't add the link.) -- llywrch 00:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yep. That would be EngineerScotty's work. Katr67 00:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Natural history of Oregon

In reference to your statement of: 'this is for the Natural history of Oregon', a US State, of the USA on the North American Continent, in the "American West". I didn't learn what i (sic) learned because i think I am smart. Other people showed me things; however that does not mean they had all the answers. You have removed for a second time a piece of the "Natural history of Oregon", (and of Washington) if i understand where Celilo Falls are. (the American Black Vulture article has a subsection Labelled: "Fossil history, Oregon USA and specifics") So don't claim your way is right by denigrating, or denying that you are removing a Natural history reference. You can pretend you have moral authority. Or that you your (Aarrgh!) has some righteousness. It does not. (I've watched others say they are doing "One Thing", when it is clear they have a different agenda. The Wikipedians not only have stolen the word "Cabal", they are clearly at times creating their Cabals... (I hope somebody from Oregon, or the Pacific Northwest has the gumption to reverse some of your clearly, one minded intentions.)) -From the ArizDesert-SonoranDesert.. --Mmcannis 05:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I was merely replacing the intro, which your edits took out, that all categories should have, defining what the category is for. If an article belongs in a category, then it should be added to the category. I did so with Haystack Rock, but didn't add the other articles because I wasn't sure they quite fit, but I have changed my mind. Category pages aren't the place to add other commentary, however. This edit, with my "Argh" was me being mad at *myself* for messing up the bolding and having to make three edits in row. With this edit, you will see that I added Celilo Falls to the natural history category. This edit adds the vulture to Avifauna of Oregon, a subcat of natural history. That is the proper way to categorize things, If I understand Wikipedia guidelines correctly. There is no cabal. I have no agenda except for following Wikipedia guidelines and making the best encyclopedia possible. You would do well to assume good faith. If you can find a reference to a Wikipedia policy or guideline that says it's OK to add links to articles on the categorization page, rather than simply categorizing them, I'll be happy to read it. Thanks. Katr67 15:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi, Thanks for the welcome message! I've been editing for the last 6 months or so -- this is a new username for me. I should set up my user page!ChartreuseLight 16:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Message to me re: naming conventions

I did not name the "Brisbane Light Plane Crash" article. It was already on Wikipedia as such, I just linked to it and included the name of the man who owned the company. Floracalifornia 15:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Katr67, you're so helpful and reasonable! Unlike some uh, mods around here. ;) Floracalifornia 17:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, some people are just trying to improve the encyclopedia, I wouldn't take it personally, and please assume good faith and try not to fight incivility with incivility. Katr67 19:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

AWB

You asked me to let yo know what I think of AWB. As you probably noticed, I finally got approved for its use last week. After staying up almost all night playing in the sandbox with it to get a feel for its features, I haven't actually used it much yet. It does what it is intended to do very well, and remarkably fast: semi-automating repetitive tasks. Today I turned it loose on the List of Governors of Oregon "what links here" list (one of several wiki lists it can read automatically, or it can work from a manually created txt file, or one entered directly into the program). With its "search and replace" function, it made short work of linking to the new Governor of Oregon article instead, stopping at each edit for confirmation (good thing, since some of the links really should point to the list). It would have been invaluable in our Mass tagging project, as it could have done it category by category in much less time than navigating to each article by hand. It will even use Wikisearch, but you know how functional that is. For a Wikignome par excelence like you, I think it is probably something you would want to consider having in your Wiki toolbox. Except, of course, it is another program to learn... I haven't begun to try all its features yet. -- "J-M" (Jgilhousen) 19:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I saw your flurry of activity, because naturally I have a bunch of those government articles on my watchlist. Actually I went ahead and signed up for it too, after I had to laboriously hand repair the ISBN on several articles in which I had referenced OGN, because Twisted86 accidentally got one number wrong and I was copying his citation. (Hmm, I forgot to give him an extra whomp with my foil last night for that...) I already managed to screw something up using it and had to go through and laboriously hand repair my mistake, but I can see how it will be very handy. I did a quick find and replace for a common spelling error, and it was so easy it warmed my little Wikignome heart. I don't mind doing things the old-fashioned way sometimes, but I'm sure there will many uses for AWB. If I need help figuring out what it does I'll be sure to ask you. I don't quite have the hang of the search parameters--when I searched for Oregon categories, only the top-level categories came up. And there are still many articles that need to be tagged, though I've got almost all the categories tagged except for the county ones and any that don't branch from the main Oregon cat. So if you know how to make it seach for untagged articles within categories, I'd love to know how to do that. Katr67 19:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't, and it relies on the internal Wikisearch function, which itself has problems. An inelegant but possible workaround would be to use one of the third-party search tools, convert the result to a text file, and have it work from that. But, there may be some way to do it with advanced search from within AWB. I'll tinker a bit, and see what I can figure out. I am still on the learning curve with it myself. -- "J-M" (Jgilhousen) 09:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar

It was kind of you to notice, and kinder to bother acting upon it. I set the list aside a few times to do other things for sanity sake, but found that its total disarray haunted me. --"J-M" (Jgilhousen) 07:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

In-bloody-credible!

That's all I can say. Volunteer work shouldn't be this frustrating.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/December‎; 23:43 . . Caerwine (Talk | contribs) (→{{US-state-gov-stub}} / Category:State government of the United States stubs)

-- "J-M" (Jgilhousen) 09:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Hi Katr, I'm sort of confused with the current situation with regards to List of sole survivors of aviation accidents or incidents, and Survivors of Air Disasters. Which page should be where, and is the history in the correct place? Thanks. —Mets501 (talk) 18:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

plants and animals

Editors pretty much do what they want and not much can be done about any of it. And some editors insist on repeating articles in both categories and their subcategories. Since there are so many WP rules, they can always cite a rule for whatever they want to do. I have not worked on Fauna/Flora for some time. There was much discussion that categories of Fauna/Flora by US State or by international country were not appropriate as animals and plants move/grow anywhere they want, disregarding human political boundaries. Since then, I have seen little work trying to settle what categories should be used instead/in addition to states/countries. Nor have I seen any biological-trained experts join any discussion. Sorry, I really do not know what I can do that would accomplish much. Hmains 19:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

wikirest

Hi Katr67! I hope you have a restful break. Please do come back. You are one of the heavy lifters around here and I truly appreciate having you around. Following in your footsteps, I almost always completely agree with your work. (The few differences are trivial matters of preference.) It is so rare—and so nice—to have someone who really knows how to write, as well as possessing a deep understanding of mechanical and spelling; "frosting" for the cake if you will. I looked around for something better than a barnstar, but decided on potentially over-the-top words instead. — EncMstr 01:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem!

(It was actually my first block, I'm a new admin.) If after the 48 hours is up he persists and I don't notice, please let me know. I will check though. That was a seriously large amount of spam... Dina 00:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Sisters, Oregon complaint

Trying to recorrect your corrections to the Sisters, OR page. You dumped most of my external links without creating new pages to hold them. Very annoying. It took some effort to track down those links. I am trying to get some of those links back online. bberryhill@gmail.com User:BBerryhill —Preceding unsigned comment added by BBerryhill (talk • contribs) 6:30, December 31, 2006