User talk:184.147.248.119

December 2021

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I dramatically disagree with your narrative. My point stands that "human rights" lingo is being abused for an assortment of narrow purposes. This should be reflected in the article. Your attempt to muzzle captain obvious only demonstrates further the need for a criticism section in the "human rights" article.

Did you even bother to read WP:NOTFORUM or did you immediately jump to assumptions of bad faith? clpo13_(talk) 04:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)?

Your link is a red herring to avoid discussing the criticism at hand. There is plenty of evidence of abuse of "human rights' lingo. You are the one showing bad faith by trying to silence a valid criticism of the article.

Please stop your disruptive editing. Wikipedia aims to provide a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing other users, as you did on Pushbacks in Greece, potentially compromises that safe environment. If you continue to harass other editors, you may be blocked from editing. --John the Janitor (talk) 08:46, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I fairly pointed out there were no other pushback articles on Wikipedia except for Greece. That by definition is prejudice. . if it offends those that wrote the article that's their problem to deal with. I offered a solution to create similar articles for other nations to show they are principled. Instead they keep trying to delete by posts and silence me. Your accusation is based on narrative slander not evidence that my criticisms weren't valid..

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. John the Janitor (talk) 08:58, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

i.e. you mean you are trying to get me blocked... without even once addressing any of my points.

Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for making personal attacks towards other editors.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  331dot (talk) 10:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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I wholeheartedly disagree with this verdict and on principle will follow up with a complaint on the Wikipedia notice board for inappropriate block when this block expires. Not once did the admin that blocked me address any of my points ... effectively slandering me for calling out prejudice by some editors on Wikipedia towards Greeks.. an inversion of ethics.

For instance show me all other articles on Wikipedia titled by "pushback (insert country here)" like exists for "pushbacks in Greece". The creator of that article currently lives in a country 30 times the population of Greece, that ALSO engages in pushbacks, yet that editor saw fit to create an article on only Greece instead? (spending hours editing) If alleged principles were at work, there should be many similarly titled articles from many others nations currently opposing migration not just Greece.

And am I wrong pointing out after years of Greeks being framed as "nationalists" on Wikipedia and alleged "human rights" NGOs for objecting to recognition of the former Yugoslav republic, that many that ignored Greek objections today unethically downplay the current inhabitants of what was once the ancient Kingdom of Paeonia little transformation into antihellenic founders of the Hellenistic period and blatantly obvious ongoing manipulation of the name to promote what they frame as "United Macedonia"? Again prejudice.. aka bigotry.

And this is precisely why I next went to the talk page of Wikipedia's 'human rights" article to address this manipulative selective framing as "human rights". And that's when the same editor on the pushbacks page trolled my history page to try to remove my valid criticisms elsewhere. My point about assortment of leftists, far right crypto- ultra nationalists, scam artists and others manipulatively framing their politics as "human rights" is also valid. There is no mention of this wide spread, obvious, inconsistent use and abuse of "human rights" lingo on Wikipedia's 'human rights' article. I didn't try to insert an edit in the article. I was silenced just for trying to point this out on the talk page which further illustrates some of the alleged 'human rights' articles are being group trolled by some editors manipulatively framing their politics and prejudices as "human rights".

You have access upto this talk page solely so you can contest your block. WP:GAB explains how. The above is inappropriate and may result in your talk page access being revoked and/or your block being extended. --Yamla (talk) 11:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You claim it is "inappropriate" can you please narrow down exactly what I have said isn't true? I'm assuming part of Wikipedia rules oppose bigots no? In the hour since my block and your response, did you thoroughly investigate to see if my accusation of prejudice isn't true before asserting it is "inappropriate"?

You will likely have only one more chance to follow the instructions in the block notice and request unblock. 331dot (talk) 11:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for threat, after blocking me without once addressing any of my points. I have not made a single attempt to unblock yet for you to give me "chance" to state my case. Nor will I until the block expires as I plan to gather evidence until I am ready to file my complaint against several editors here, including you as an admin, for silencing me on Wikipedia for the "crime" of telling the truth.

Fair enough. You will regain talk page access at that time. --Yamla (talk) 13:04, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

In other words you didn't you didn't actually bother to do a thorough investigation but blocked me anyhow. I understand how websites like this work. There is a community. Most community driven sites resort to some sort of gamification to reward contribution and good behavior. However, as non-established users can attest to on many websites, some administrators abuse granted powers in a sort of cop with an attitude because they have a badge mentality. I can see this is an issue here based on the lack of effort to investigate my claims of biases and instead blindly assert authrori-tay. 184.147.248.119 (talk) 03:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Not that it's likely to do you a lot of good, at this rate, 184.147.248.119. You are under the impression that we are required to respond to your charges, to your satisfaction, before you will deign to engage with us. User:331dot asked you several times whether you were prepared to follow Wikipedia behavioral policies. Several times over, you refused to answer, declaring that you had to be satisfied first. This is not how Wikipedia works; you are required to follow those policies as a precondition of editing Wikipedia, and it is entirely appropriate for an administrator to be satisfied that you plan on doing so.

That being said, your points are absurd. Failure to agree with you is neither censorship nor slander, nor are people on the opposite side from you in an argument bigots by definition. Nor were you "silenced" for "telling the truth;" you were temporarily blocked for your repeated refusal to deliver a simple affirmation that you would abide by Wikipedia policies. As far as your shrill question as to why editors on the Pushbacks_in_Greece article aren't contributing to other "pushback" articles, that's simple: we're all volunteers here. We participate in the topic areas that interest us, and work on the articles on which we want to work. The great amount of my edits are in ice hockey, history and at AfD; I would be completely unmoved by you demanding to know (for instance) why I'm not making motorsports or liquor edits instead -- areas in which I am not interested and in which I have little expertise. No editor on Wikipedia has to "prove" anything to you. Ravenswing 22:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

• @331dot:, @Yamla:, there's one other thing that strikes me that I humbly submit may be indef-worthy: the anon IP here has yet to make a single edit to articlespace. So far, all he's done is complain on talk pages. Ravenswing 08:10, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

* @Ravenwing: Your claim user 331dot asked me several times whether I was prepared to follow Wikipedia behavioral polices is a twisting of what actually happened. Rather than first investigate my claim and explain what I allegedly did wrong he started implicitly assuming I did something wrong by asserting a patronizing are-you-here-to-work-with-us-lecture. And your claim that "hockey" is somehow analogous to the controversial hot button issue of migration is what's absurd. I didn't so much object to the article but to the lack of other similar articles. There are nearly 200 countries in the world that defend their borders in a collective fashion (i.e. pushbacks)... yet there is no other "pushbacks in x country" on Wikipedia"? The original creator of the author is obsessed with solely Greece on the issue. Why doesn't he also write one on pushbacks in own country if he's so interested on issue of pushbacks? It's painfully obvious he has biases towards Greeks.... as do a few others here on Wikipedia and elsewhere judging by how many that recognized the former Yugoslavians as "Macedonians" against Greek objections, today unethically try to whitewash their identity quick change into anti-Hellenic founders of the Hellenistic period and accompanying irredentism. As for using my lack of article contributions against me, an inversion of ethics. I don't just try to make major edits to articles. I tried to discuss potential edits first. Even the talk pages of alleged "human rights" articles has been so co-opted by those manipulatively peddling their politics as "human rights" you get silenced if you point out captain obvious. If you want the so-called "human rights" articles improved you need someone that has my level of knowledge on the issue and motivated like me to help clean up the pages to reflect the reality "human right" lingo is being rampantly abused by crypto-extreme nationalists, leftists, and con artists framing their sundry agendas as "human rights". Even the so-called UN "Human rights' council is filled with unprincipled nationalists that don't follow what they preach to other states. Those irregularities and hypocrisy should be part of the "human rights" article. To be clear here, I'm not arguing to insert my definition of human rights, which would make me no different than those I accuse of inappropriate behavior, only to expose these sorts irregularities. You have two choices here. Continue to run with the patronizing I'm just disruptive troll narrative and block me again or consider that I might be saying this all in good faith.184.147.248.119 (talk) 03:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

*As this is a volunteer project, users are free to edit about any topic they wish to the extent that they wish. If a user is interested in Greek border control policy, they are free to edit about Greek border control policies without having to edit or contribute about the border policies of other countries. This does not give you license to make personal attacks. If you are an expert on human rights issues, please read WP:EXPERT. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

* @331dot: Except I wasn't free to make edits even to the talk page. My posts were deleted or soapboxed. I was even stalked to human rights article where poster from Greek pushbacks article again tried to revert my posts there too. The same poster (buidhe) has plenty of time for "pushbacks in Greece"... time to harass me... had time to contact an admin to do their dirty work of trying to get rid of me... but apparently no time to contribute to pushbacks in other countries. And of course no other country has a pushback article. I am not interested in contributing to Greek pushback article because I am in a conflict of interest. However I am interested in seeing alleged "human rights' being applied in consistent fashion which is not the case here. 184.147.248.119 (talk) 01:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

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